Tech bros' attitude to female colleagues stuck in dark ages::Research sheds light on attitudes holding industry back
Tech bros' attitude to female colleagues stuck in dark ages
Almost one in five […]
Imagine if the article started with
Feminists attitude to men stuck in the dark ages
Almost one in five
Would you take it seriously?
20% is not good, but that title makes it seem like it's 80%.
The female IT colleagues I've had have been just like med: OK to stellar. The only absolute IT knobhead I've had the displeasure of dealing with was a dude, and the only non-IT dickhead colleague was a woman.
For the study, follow https://www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/system-update-addressing-the-gender-gap-in-tech-report and scroll to the bottom.
They interviewed 21 women and had an online survey with
555 women and 523 men who currently or have recently left a tech role (less than 4 years ago), 360 women who have not worked in tech, but hold a qualification in a STEM subject at Level 3 or above
and these people were 90% from England. There were 1.7 million people in tech in the UK in July 2023. The US has 9.7M and I have no idea how many the EU has (too lazy to search). But to generalize the findings of a single country globally…
What a bad article.
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise
“In the UK, they pay women 26 percent less than their male counterparts,”
Wow, I’m surprised the UK doesn’t have laws preventing gender based pay discrimination.
Most of these studies are nonsensical and don’t take into account things like whether the person works full or part time, or looks at average lifetime earnings. Both of which completely ignore that women very often either stop working or go part time when pregnant/raising children.
Anybody who actually thinks that for the same job a woman’s wage is 26% less needs their head examined. It’s not true and only gets pushed in media because it riles both sides up and gets clicks/engagement.
If governments actually wanted to do anything about the average lifetime earnings difference between men and women, they should make getting childcare cheaper, because it disproportionately affects women. But they don’t.
As it stands, the UK has the second most expensive childcare costs in the world, according to OECD data. It’s usually not worth it for mothers to get childcare and go back to the workforce. So they don’t. That’s what’s fueling the gender “pay” gap - mothers in particular are pressured not to go back into work because of high costs.
E: apparently people don’t understand that single mothers are a thing, pregnancy is a thing, and mothers are far more likely to look after children and lower their working hours than fathers.
I thought it takes a man and a woman to make a child. In addition, in many countries, both the man and woman can take leave when they have a child.
These sorta points greatly weaken your argument. You using child care as an alternative explanation towards why woman may make less is likely a symptom of the bias women face in the job market.
I’m well aware of biology, thank you.
It’s an undeniable fact that there are more single mothers who look after their children than single fathers. I’ll leave it to you to figure out why.
Women working fewer hours in their working lives is by far and away the biggest reason for the gap between the total lifetime earnings of men and total lifetime earnings of women. The biggest reason women take fewer hours is because of pregnancy and childcare. That’s why I brought it up. I thought that was obvious, but apparently not.
Prove to me that women earn less for doing the same work. Find me a job listing that advertises a lower wage for women. You won’t find one. Because that’s not the issue here.
Find me a job listing that advertises a lower wage for women. You won’t find one.
That would be asking for trouble, duh.
It’s illegal in my country to specify gender too, so all ads say “(m/f)”, do you really think there won’t be a hiring bias when hiring for a role where one gender is predominant?
Of course there sometimes is. Where did I say otherwise? What does that have to do with anything I said?
All I said was that by far far and away the biggest cause of the lifetime earnings gap between men and women being the way that it is is because women work fewer hours in their lives, mainly due to pregnancy and childcare.
In the UK at least, younger women actually earn more than their male counterparts due to higher university attendance, typically better grades, and ending up in better jobs.
It’s when they reach an age where it’s typical to take time off to have kids when they fall behind.
Put simply, work fewer hours = get fewer monies.
If governments want to close the gap, and I think they should, they need to make childcare more accessible. It helps both men and women, but moreso women, because they’re the ones who take time off for pregnancy, and they’re typically the ones who take more time off for looking after children after that.
It feels a but ridiculous that you are using “less work hours due to pregnancy and childcare” as your primary explanation for why women make less over multi-decades long career.
Women go on pregnancy leave for months. How can this explain less pay for years of working?
Anecdotally, back in college most of the few women in my course got their grades using their breasts.
Fact.The few women i've worked with professionally have been good professionals, some of the best even.
Studies say™ is pretty damn irrelevant these days. If that inequality is true, governments should act. Most have legislation against this kind of legislation, but that's it, paper. There are very few government officials actually controlling these issues proactively, if any at all. Plus few companies make salaries public and it's not common to discuss paycheck.
Ensuring neither the company nor the worker gets penalized for pregnancy/newborn care would probably help a lot.
No, i'm not denying there's a bias, there most likely is, especially in IT. But in paychecks, for that reason alone, not so much… for sure there are lots of people in the same company in the same role with the same skillset and generally about equal in all the job requirements who do have differences in their salaries, but i'd wager that's more related to how well they negotiated during the hiring process.
Edited to add "Anecdotally, ".
Female dominated cultural spaces are intolerable to me. Male dominated cultural spaces are intolerable to them.
It's almost like there's a difference in genders and maybe you should let men and women self segregate along lines of interest.
