Its the only thing making is a good choice, while people choose Brave, TorBrowser or Librewolf instead.
Come and join the discussion.
Firefox needs to have some courage. Get rid of all those fake funding by Ad companies. Block Ads and trackers by default. Actually. Dont use damn Google as that contract will run out anyways.
Chrome is the Google browser. Firefox simply offering nothing more (on the outside) than it.
What do you think? Do you use Firefox out of the Box? Or another browser?
Did you just group Brave with LibreWolf and Tor Browser lol
Yup because they are all privacy hardened out of the Box.
Can’t agree with you on Brave. You’re putting a lot of trust in a for profit company with no real transparency or accountability mechanism.
And involved in crypto BS
Mozilla needs funding. By taking money from Google and DuckDuckGo specifically for search it allows Firefox to remain independent and the software it produces is underpins lots of other even more independent privacy respecting software.
The eco system around Firefox needs Firefox to survive. Unless a better funding source comes along Firefox would be in jeopardy. Having. Said that Thunderbird has been successfully turned around due to a well run community pursuing donations and volunteers.
It would also be good if countries stumped up some of the funding Mozilla and other crucial open source projects like Linux need, to maintain a strong software ecosystem. Similar to how many European countries fund national broadcasters to maintain media diversity.
this is the (un)fortunate reality.
unfortunate in that keeping a modern browser up to date is a serious task when you need to compete with the agenda and scale of google etc
fortunate in that its a relatively simple solution, the community needs to fund the software.
its tough though as i can imagine if they pulled the kind of popup shit wikipedia does, it will just drive people away. what people don’t realise ofc is that with chrome you are paying for it (with your data), but for some reason they’re not viewed in the equivalent light.
Most people still don’t understand how paying with their data affects things. Even “fuck the govt they’re tracking us” types don’t care that… They’re literally doing exactly that.
Nobody wants to listen to us and call us crazy until Google decides one day after you move that they don’t like your new wifi and permanently lock you out even though you still know your password.
Until people are willing to give up convenience for privacy, we’re stuck with these financial models unfortunately.
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LibreWolf and the Tor browser would not exist as they do today if Mozilla was not taking money from Google and DuckDuckGo and all those ad companies to develop Firefox as free open source software that could be forked by privacy-forward groups.
So sure, it would be nice if Mozilla made a privacy-focused Firefox version natively, but if a handful of concessions (that I can continue to turn off) are what it takes to have a performant, full-featured, modern FOSS web browser, I’ll take that deal.
I’ll emphasise that the “handful of concessions” are concessions to usability, not to having to share data with Google or DuckDuckGo. Firefox is still an incredibly private browser, especially if you consider the rest of the landscape.
Excuse me, you can’t simply have a nuanced and fact based opinion on the internet.
360° turn?
True. But lets stay at the content
Used to use arkenfox, then switched to LibreWolf. Eventually switched back to Firefox w/ Betterfox cuz i got annoyed with some websites and QR codes breaking
QR codes breaking??
What is betterfox?
it could be me, but I think your link is broken.
Hmm, its the correct site probably not approved to their walled garden yet
I’m OK with a custom script editing Firefox after install. As long as Google supplies them money they shouldn’t budge at all. Yes, maybe they could be a bit more directed, but the day Google doesn’t want to fund them anymore is the day we’re royally screwed.
Do what you’re doing FF, just maybe be more determined in your actions.
The problem I see is that if they get too idealistic/absolutist, they will end up just like those examples you mentioned (Brave, TorBrowser, Librewolf); less successful.
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Is Firefox blocking tracker by default?
Some. But it loads all the bullshit Javascript and doesnt have Ublock preinstalled.
Also the security mode is set to “useless” by default. I only know one site, ojogos.com.br a stupid popup ad-to-play website that wont run on secure Firefox settings
without javascript you can’t use internet
You can use sites perfectly without facebook tracking javascript though…
Noscript is selective, thats the point
Totally true, thats the reason why Vanadium etc. are useless. No JS means nothing working often
Mullvad for when I’m just browsing, and then if I want something in bookmarks synced everywhere, or if it’s a site broken by Mullvad, I’ll copypaste to Firefox with the possible privacy issue features turned off.
Firefoxes Bookmarks are privacy respecting
Oh I meant all the features that might needlessly send things to a server like checking spelling as you type, recommending extensions and features as you browse, turning off search suggestions, changing search engine, turning off location requests and most autofills, suggestions from web and sponsors, turning off all data collection and use, enabling https-only mode, etc
Spell-check doesn’t send things to a server in Firefox - that’s Chrome (and only with a particular setting, IIRC).
Wasn’t sure about that one for FF, better safe than not. Good to know though, thanks for clarifying.
Same for translations btw, Firefox didn’t have built-in translations for a while because Mozilla had to painstakingly work on a research project to figure out how to do translation locally, on your machine, without sharing the page you’re looking at with an external server.
Things like this make the arguments against FF getting funding from search engine companies seem even more shortsighted. That wasn’t a cheap effort at all, but well worth it.
You have literally no idea what you’re talking about. If can’t do a simple internet search to check how Firefox’s bookmarks or spellchecking work, not my problem
@Pantherina Can’t read https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/firefox-needs-a-drastic-change-privacy-by-default/idi-p/44347
It’s been deleted? What was the original post?
I have no idea, maybe its not active yet or only for logged in users? I checked the link lots of times, MozillaConnect is weird
