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it’s a swole doge vs cheems meme
on swole doge side, there are two popups: kCrash and Ubuntu apport. Both have options to see detailed logs and an optional button to send report to developers, along with options to close the popup.
accompanied is a text that reads “Here’s the information. What do you wish to do?”
on crying cheems side, there’s popup for windows and mac. windows has just a cancel button with report being sent already. mac has ignore and report button. there is no option to see logs without reporting on both. here, accompanied text reads, “let’s add this to the personally identifiable information we have on you.”
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me: ugh this program won’t work lemme ctrl alt delete
windows: hold on lemme spend three minutes reporting this to microsoft
Smash that cancel button!
To be fair most applications don’t give you shit till you launch it in a terminal. That’s something I’d wish would improve on Linux. My mother would get pretty frustrated so I assume most average people would be too.
For example lutris recognizes your missing wine but it just loads indefinitely.
If you don’t have all the dependencies for alacrity it just doesn’t launch.
If you don’t have all the dependencies for gparted on Wayland it just doesn’t launch.
Most apps don’t create error messages in the gui and that’s hard for average users to grasp.
Most apps don’t create error messages in the gui and that’s hard for average users to grasp.
I just went through 3 fucking days of troubleshooting why this program wont work. Finally issued a bug report, it got closed in 30 minutes, dev responded with “ya, those features are currently disabled, terminal will show you a warning when you launch it”.
Great. And nothing for the GUI users?
The biggest annoyance to me is that Linux fanboys will say how you never have to touch a terminal if you don’t want to, but when you bring up how ridiculous it is to disable features, keep them enabled on the GUI, and only throw a warning in the terminal, they’ll tell you to use the terminal lol.
I’ve found anyone saying “you barely need to touch the command line” is straight up lying. You can do a lot with GUIs, but they’ll always be second class citizens for Linux software developers because those developers do everything through the terminal.
As far as I’m concerned still worth it compared to the state of proprietary OSes now a days. The online language model image generation features especially worry me due to the limitless data collection and scrapping capabilities. “Justified” collection of emails, word docs, images, videos, cameras, audio recordings, etc.
Most people won’t bat an eye until their most intimate details are sitting in a stack of papers on some lawyers desk awaiting a trial over some data breach or antitrust practices.
I’m not arguing against Linux. Use whatever you want. It’s just stop acting like Linux is GUI friendly when it’s extremely dependent on if the dev is competent or not.
Also, whatever OS you use wont save you in data breaches. Just because you use Linux doesn’t mean your Ashley Madison affair data is safe.
No one’s making accusations here it’s just easier to avoided something like a Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal when your os doesn’t require an online cloud account to set it up or use advertised features.
If you don’t even open Event Viewer on Windows, are you really so computer savvy as you claim you are?
Oh god, this gives me PTSD of trying to troubleshoots my buddies new machine which I built. I will die happy if I never have to so much as look at the event viewer ever again.
On MacOS if you click on the “Report…” button it expands to something similar to what you see on the left.
thanks! never clicked that for fear that they’d do something similar to windows.
I’ll try it next time it comes up.maybe there should be a third button for less confusion? or does it go against apple’s “design” principles? :p
To demonstrate I got an app to crash, this is what you see when you click on the report button. The report is longer, trying to show where the app crashed, at the bottom there’s a button to send a report to apple
looks much better than what I’d thought. thanks for sharing mate! BTW, the interface is in French, right?
maybe there should be a third button for less confusion?
I think it’s fine as is. Three dots after a button / menu item imply more interaction is required before an action is taken.
update: doesn’t have button on my machine.
just two buttons: show/hide details, and report. can’t even go back or close it.
KDE’s way is the best way
haven’t used KDE, but it really looks an ideal crash reporter. even has stars for quality of logs.
I might be doing something wrong, but the crash reports themselves are damn near useless
yes, there should be a description box for sending additional inputs from the user. like what were they trying to do.
but GNU/Linux developers are already saddled with a lot of work, and I don’t mind restarting the app at all. :)
I have a question, how the hell does task manager stop responding and there still to have a crash report
only once have i seen the crash reporter in windows actually do something beneficial and report back an actual fix.
I have a question, how the hell does task manager stop responding and there still to have a crash report
Because Windows isn’t that bad of an OS the Linux community believes it to be.
You’re right, it’s worse
I have a question, how the hell does task manager stop responding and there still to have a crash report
Well of course they need to report your information to Microsoft, after all the application crashed on your computer and since it’s a Microsoft application it can’t be the fault of the application (also why you don’t see an error Log) so you must have been holding it wrong so they need your info to find out how you were holding it wrong.
The fuck are you smoking?
Or (which is a lot more likely) it sends data so Microsoft can improve the software and fix the bug that you encountered in their software.
(Why would they want to receive crash dumps if they don’t believe to be at fault? That is just dumb logic)
If you want to see logs, you can just open the Event Viewer. It is a bit hidden because non-tech savvy people like you don’t understand it.
Sorry I thought I was exaggerating enough but once again sarcasm doesn’t come through on the internet.
I know that actual logs are produced and can be viewed and I know that there are actual crash dumps being sent that are actually used for improvement.
Whole I don’t believe in the “hide what’s happening from the user” approach I get that Microsoft isn’t actually malicious or hates their users.
Again sorry for dropping the /s
if you want to see the logs you have eventmgr.msc which consolidates all logs in one place.
As stated above. I know that there are actual logs produced (I honestly would not have known where to look for them by heart but that’s my shortcoming) my comment was meant to be sarcastic sorry for dropping that /s
