‘I’m proud of being a job hopper’: Seattle engineer’s post about company loyalty goes viral::undefined
there absolutely is no loyalty from an organisation.
This is why I jump ship without any further thought or feeling of remorse. They would throw you out on your butt without a second’s hesitation whenever they feel like it.
Companies: “You are nothing but a cog in a machine. You will be placed in the machine if and only if you help the machine generate maximum profit. If your presence ever causes the machine to generate less than maximum profit you will be summarily discarded.”
Employees: “Okay, so you try to get the maximum profit for you and I try to get the maximum profit for me.”
Companies: surprisePikachu.jpg
Most people over-index on maximizing compensation or holding on to stability. But there’s more to work than money and stability. Work is about growth, building connections, working on things you care about, being challenged and creating a legacy.
Fucking legacy? Is this a joke? Who gives a shit about what shitty products they launch for FAANG companies? I certainly don’t - not beyond keeping my resume and portfolio up to date.
Compensation and stability are the only things that matter beyond basic working conditions and a non-toxic environment.
Well in my case I created a legacy by helping to unionize my workplace. I don’t even care if I’m ever remembered for that, not many legacies can be beat
Very nice! Unionization is the only way to make employera care about workers rights.
Man we’ve lost something along the way. When did our jobs become purely a means of money and contributing nothing to society.
When society began treating people as an exploitable resource.
100 percent. My work is treated as a commodity. Why wouldn’t I consider the company one as well?
Ain’t nobody giving increases like new bosses.
You want loyalty? That’s what pensions were for. Fuck your 401k, I can invest myself, thanks.
You want loyalty? Give better increases.
At the end of the day, software developers desire two things: An interesting technical challenge, and fair pay/benefits for the work done. If you can’t provide either, you have a problem. Not the employee.
Fuck your 401k, I can invest myself, thanks
You can’t match your own contributions, though.
I’ve never seen a place that matches as much as a new job would pay.
It’s only up to 6% though.
It’s still free money. Between maxing that ans espp, I basically got a free $16k last year.
Yeah it’s free money but it’s not as much as what grandfather would have gotten in his pension
Spot on.
“Having hired over 500 engineers personally in my career, if your resume came across my list, I would definitely pass.”
Heh. A job seeker with three FANG companies on their resume does not give a shit if this random person would bin their resume.
Also, I’m trying to imagine a scenario where having needed to hire 500 people, personally, in a single career isn’t embarrassing.
Edit: “You think you suck at retention? Let me tell you how my year went!”
How is this even considered an article? The title is half the length of the article.
This is something that is still better in Germany. Companies are forced to have somewhat of an employee loyalty and some corporation go well above what the law forces them to (like VW). The way things are going lately, it feels like this won’t be like this forever. But atm it’s still one of the good things about Germany.
Companies get mad when the employees look at their jobs the way execs look at their employees. Cue outrage. The only reason they mad is because they own the newspapers, too.
The audacity of these removed. I have a mercenary outlook on work too. If you love me, keep paying me good.
I’m not loyal to anybody, I’m a demon / I have no loyalty for anyone, never did, never will
I’m fine with my reports taking better offers if they’ve got em. I don’t get how these people get hired though. When I see these resumes that flip jobs every year, I immediately just kinda figure it’s a waste to invest time in this person.
I’ve been practicing the mercenary method for about 5 years now. Since then I’ve significantly increased my salary and I’ve been a lot happier at work. That on top of learning to say “no” has improved my career life exponentially. NO loyalty. No unpaid overtime. No going above and beyond for a company that isn’t going to return the favor.
What about when they do return the favour, though?
As someone who has spent a fair bit of time on the other side of this issue, I’ve found people tend to assume I’m being shitty even as I am actively going out of my way to accommodate and support them.
One time I moved someone from hourly to salary because he was very receptive to guidance and was learning very quickly - essentially I didn’t want him to be compared on hourly terms as his pay increased, since the cap for more independent salaried employees was much higher. I was kinda risking my own ass in doing this since he had neither experience nor education, but I saw incredible potential, and felt it made sense. As part of this, to ensure he wouldn’t be shortchanged by the conversion, I had payroll add 5K when they switched him. I expected this would be well received, but he had so many concerns that made absolutely no sense. We got through it, but in the end it seems he thought that all of the extra time I was spending personally to teach him a new role and help him get from ~40K to 100K within a year and a half was something to be wary of.
I have many stories like this. Sometimes when I feel hurt by people I’ve been so loyal to, I get urges to stop being compassionate and stop prioritizing their concerns so heavily. I don’t think I’ll ever change, but it is extra exhausting to go through this stuff over and over only to be lumped in with folks who do treat people like shit.
Perhaps the model is just fundamentally broken, and there’s no way to win as long as there is any sort of power differential in the relationship (implied or otherwise). More and more I feel that that is what I’m up against, and no amount of concern for an employee’s wellbeing will ever be able to overcome this.
So, my question is not rhetorical - I realize this isn’t my post, but I’m super curious about others’ perspective on this: are you open to the idea that at some point in your career someone might actually care about your wellbeing? Will it matter to you, or just … get whatever you can, and never stop trying to fuck the system?
If I truly felt a company, or someone at the company, cared for me and my career I’d have no problem putting in the extra effort. Unfortunately it is a rare occurrence and most of the time decisions are revenue/cash flow related and it doesn’t matter how much a company cares. At the end of the day, no matter how good things are where you work, it’ll always come down to the bottom line and what value you provide vs what you are costing the company.
I think the answer to this is actually fairly simple. When the bossman tells me something’s in my best interest, I’m just immediately suspicious. Like I know in your example it maybe is, you’ve laid out your logic and all of that. But you have to realize that for every good boss, there’s probably 15 bad ones. Western economic, labour systems and power structures have been so lopsided for generations, that it’s literally hard coded in us to be suspicious. Whenever someone comes at me from work with a big smile and excitement, my flags FLY to red alert. Because I’m statistically far more likely to be on the raw side of the deal.
I’m currently at a job that just leaves me alone to do my job and gives me opportunities to learn new skills as they present themselves, none of these extra roles have came with a pay raise, but I havent had an OK paying job in YEARS where I actually look forward to showing up to work the next day (which I do feel about this one). There are different things a job can provide once the bills have been paid, and I’m sure SOME of your fellow co-workers/employees notice you giving a shit about them
they dont even pay enough for our loyalty lmao
Companies are forcing return to office policies as a covert way of doing layoffs without compensation, if they’re not kicking people out with the thousands and are shocked to discover workers are now not particularly loyal to employers.
They also hate it when employees use the exact same economic reasoning as they do to maximize revenue and take opportunities.
I think jumping after 1 year is a bit extreme, but after 3 years (my target was 2) I landed a new job I start soon! 47% salary increase plus better benefits and more time off - there’s no way my current employer could ever match that!
I’ve averaged ~12 job hops in the last 6 years and I wouldn’t change a thing. Compensation growth has been roughly 6.05x. The previous 6 years was…maybe 3? And maybe 2x.
I owe the big corps nothing. I meet expectations and deliverables and I support my team however I can, but that’s about it.
He also noted higher pay and easier promotions. “I had a 20% pay bump moving from Amazon to Microsoft for the same role and job responsibilities,” Nguyen wrote.
