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The comment section there is unbearable to read. I totally get that Wayland is a growing protocol, and sometimes things aren’t implemented yet, but pretending like Xorg hasn’t had a whole mountain of issues of the past 40 years is hilarious
X11 was originally built when computer monitors were commonly monochrome. It’s quite amazing it has lasted this long.
If you’re not using “vampire taps” to connect your X-Server to your computer, you’re doing it wrong.
Wayland is the future. It has already surpassed X11 in many ways. My favourite comment on Phoronix was “When is X11 getting HDR? I mean, it was released 40 years ago now.”
That said, the fact that this pull request came from Valve should carry some weight. Perhaps Wayland really is not ready for SDL.
I do not see why we need to break things unnecessarily as we transition. This is on the app side. Sticking with X11 for SDL ( for now ) does not harm the Wayland transition in any way. These applications will still work fine via Xwayland.
Sure, a major release like 3.0 seems like a good place to make the switch. In the end though, it is either ready or it is not. If the best path for SDL is to keep the default at X11 then so be it ( for now ).
To have this laundry list of negatives get a reply basically saying “yeah, it’s bad, but we need to impress the stakeholders by forcing a Wayland default even if it doesn’t work correctly” is baffling.
I use SDL so this hits a bit closer to home. Hopefully they can arrive at a conclusion that isn’t harmful to us devs. It’s already kind of a tossup whether it’s even worth it to provide a native Linux build when Proton works so well anyway. I can’t imagine this will help.
one of the main reasons the linux kernel is where it is today: “never break userspace”
unfortunately not every project keeps to this principle.
can claw my xkcd 1172 from my cold dead hands /sarcasm
“never break userspace”
As Linus once, very articulately, reminded that one guy.
Gnome has been running user space applications just fine for me on Wayland, Arch Linux.
There were some issues about 2 years ago. I have no complaints for last 12 months.
Wayland is today’s life for some.
- Steam gaming , proton and native
- visual studio code
- qemu running windows
- app interrupting work to relax eyes
- old mysql dashboard ui
Basically, I have not seen app specific issues for my user flow.
That’s fine, we don’t need to rush things
This feels like the same kind of issue mesa just had around the zlib update breaking downstream user programs (viewperf). If there are significant downstream issues for users you shouldn’t upgrade, even if that is the end goal.
Projects that are big and important get old and bloated because they need to try and span legacy issues alongside their attempts at newer paradigms. It’s just kind of the natural lifecycle of these projects.
