I call absolute bullshit on this. They’re losing out on the sale of the device but make up for it 20 fold by selling and manipulating data it collects in your house. This isn’t even conspiracy loads of people report Alexa going off randomly without any sort of prompt. Don’t tell me the device isn’t listening closely to every little conversation you have.
This isn’t even conspiracy loads of people report Alexa going off randomly without any sort of prompt. Don’t tell me the device isn’t listening closely to every little conversation you have.
This definitely is conspiracy. You’re claiming that Amazon is secretly conspiring to make Alexa devices behave differently than they advertise them to. That’s like the definition of conspiracy lol. But that aside, I really don’t believe this. What’s the exact claim, that they’re always listening? No, they don’t. People can analyze the traffic and tell that’s false. That they’re intentionally overly sensitive? I have an easier time beginning to buy that but I still think we’d see more quantitative articles about that if it were true. Like we haven’t had whistle blowers or security researchers saying anything like that.
We have had stories like this one where marketers claim to be able to actively listen:
https://www.404media.co/cmg-cox-media-actually-listening-to-phones-smartspeakers-for-ads-marketing/
Whether you believe them or not is important. But they are secretly claiming to have this capability.
Article doesn’t mention Alexa which is specifically what we’re talking about, but I get your point.
Conspiracy means there are people conspiring meaning it is a conspiracy fact. I mention this coz the next comment says it IS but goes on to back up it is not a conspiracy because wording
Don’t be paranoid. An Eco Dot literally can’t tell you the time w/o phoning home. You can watch the network traffic it produces. No way it’s transmitting 24h of audio. And if you think about it, millions of Alexa devices recording 24/7 audio would generate more traffic than porn. And that’s before Amazon has paid a nickel to process any of that audio.
When it comes to eavesdropping on “every little conversation” They don’t, they can’t, it would be stupid to try.
Audio esp for voices can be super compressed, it’s not like music, few hours of low quality audio can be as little as a few MB. There is also hardware transcoding and as the exact modifications of the SOC aren’t public, it could be doing that too
Don’t be naive about how shitty corporations are, they are not really disincentivized to not break laws as the fines are just a cost of business.
It doesn’t even have to be that much. Obviously these devices can do sound to text conversion, that’s how they interpret commands. That can convert hours of stored conversation to text, zip it up and send it as a few kilobytes along with the next network request it makes for a legit purpose.
Do you really think one of those cheap little nuggets has the computing power to do that? The only thing it really does locally is listen to the wake word, everything else, including audio, it sends off to the Zon.
No way is it sitting there converting everything it hears to text.
If my cheap ass $250 cad phone can do it locally I’m sure the echo can too
We would easily be able to tell if an Alexa was constantly streaming audio data by monitoring its network traffic. It’d be just a wasteful inefficient implementation to stream everything 24/7. Makes much more sense to only start recording when it hears certain keywords that it can recognize locally beyond “Alexa”.
Who says it’s constantly streamed? Who says it’s not stored or transcribed then sent off in a small package?
The device has to be always on and always listening, that’s how it works. Else it won’t hear your prompt.
Siri on the iPhone too is always listening. Every time I have a conversation about something with my wife, the next day I see ads for it online.
One of my family has Alexa in her house, which advertises whenever they engage it. Whenever we go there, I have to resist the urge to pick a fight with Alexa regarding the improprieties of Amazon.
“Alexa, turn off ‘by the way’.”
You’re welcome.
Is there a Google version of this? I took google out because of this very issue
I don’t own any Hey Googles so I’m unsure 💔
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I coded an Alexa Skill once. It was tedious and a garbage platform. After a while it was delisted for spurious reasons, even worse DX than Google and Apple app stores. Complete dumpster fire from start to finish.
All obsolete now that LLMs are here. I don’t think any devs will miss it.
Alexa skill store is a “prime” example of Amazon’s we don’t give a shit attitude. For years they’ve turned their back on third party developers by limiting skill integration. A well designed skill on that store gets a two star rating. When everything in your app store is total shit - maybe the problem is you Amazon?! It’s been like that for years ; I completely avoid using skills as they only lead to frustration.
LLM integration into an Alexa device could be a big improvement, but current speed performance at that scale seems concerning that we’d get a laggy or very dumbed down system. Frankly Id be happy if Alexa could just grasp the concept of synonyms and also have the ability to attempt second guess interpretations of speech comprehension rather than assume user has just asked the exact same question in rapid succession but with a more frustrated tone.
Every damn smart light skill has different syntax and there is no way to get the Alexa app to just fucking tell me what the syntax is. The "nui’ (no user interface) approach is cute but really falls flat when trying to do complex tasks or mix brands of smart devices.
Also, it might be Google that does this more often so I won’t blame Alexa necessarily, but a lot of times when I ask things to play my liked songs I end up getting a song called “my liked songs” to play. It hasn’t happened in a while so however I am phrasing it must be correct now but it’s not something I’m super consciously aware of.
Yeah the syntax stuff was the biggest disappointment for me as a dev, too. There’s very little natural language processing going on, just simple template-based pattern matching. So basic and inflexible.
