It doesn’t even have a battery and you’re calling it standalone, I’m not reading past that

Hate me for calling you a liar, while you keep lying

I don’t wall kids in and bomb them, I just tell harsh truth. If you prefer it other way around, your kind of cruelty isn’t my kind and you can go fuck yourself, idiot.

Thank you for confirming you were lying

My debit card does not accept transactions from that retailer at all, even in USD, let alone CAD

And that is not a standalone device or even a device you can pair with a cell phone for anything beyond a very temporary very short-distance link

No

Are you fucking unfamiliar with “I guess?”

I guess just because I’m not a coder doesn’t mean I’m retarded?

If you weren’t lying, now would be the time to link me to the retailer’s webpage and maybe prove it accepts US addresses and my debit card accepts Canadian dollar transactions.

Also, if you weren’t lying, there probably wouldn’t be the word “chip” in place of “device” or any other word you could have used in your sentence that wouldn’t hint at the purchase being incomplete and incapable of doing what you said.

First question: I am not backpedaling. I am not a patient or kind person, and my cruelty is not the subhuman Israeli variety. Telling me you buy Intel products immediately eliminates any chance of me thinking you can engage with me peer-to-peer as a fluent English speaker. I hope that makes what I was trying to say clearer, since it seems you struggled to understand the previous phrasing.

Second question: correct, a future multimodal version of Meshtastic is a good, plausible, perhaps likely idea when someone feels like coding it. I’ll still never be involved under a brand name that scammed my fucking money from me.

People don’t keep buying Intel past lvl50, idk what to tell you

Linux can run without AMD64, Meshtastic can’t run without LoRa

I get that you’re at the Intel buying level of person, but even you should be able to notice that your laptop probably didn’t lie about having an “open source” ISA on the brand’s homepage. I wonder if Intel did either, AMD definitely doesn’t.

Imagine if the AMD homepage was like this

You are incorrect and I’m not sure what made you think this

Cheapest shittiest Meshtastic devices retail for at least $40 each in the US, stop lying

Perfectly good radios can indeed be less than $9 each out of the box, unlike Meshtastic

I have no idea what it takes to push open source development to where it can compete with proprietary stuff like meshtastic/LoRa.

Really good coders do it, e.g. Opus audio codec beating many proprietary audio codecs, but I’m not a coder.

I’m gonna have to work with off-the-shelf stuff. An option I’m considering now is Reticulum, with non-LoRa hardware.

Nope, I’m only using it differently from people who use it wrong. That’s part of using terms correctly.

Not with LoRa devices, after I was scammed into buying them for a network people actually use in my country.

But maybe with less expensive, more open devices that could be worth investing in without other users.

That’s the joke

Meshtastic is not “open source,” you are lying.

The issue isn’t the “full stack,” it is the lie.

Luanti running in Windows: open source game, not open source full stack.

Team Fortress 2 running on any OS: not open source, people lie about it being open source.

Understand difference between “lie” and “open source software but not full stack”

No, I’m two halves right and you are wrong.

The chip itself being closed source isn’t the problem, I knew that before I ordered (and my discussion thread about it on reddit also gave the community the opportunity to clarify the entire ecoystem lying about being “open source” before my money was wasted, but nobody bothered to tell me).

The problem is the software built on top of it being a proprietary protocol: a LoRa mesh network. Meshtastic and Meshcore are exclusively based on LoRa, which is proprietary, so they are not open source.

If I bought this for Reticulum, you could say the software was fully open source, but I didn’t.

It’s like a game that calls itself “open source” when it compiles nothing without a proprietary game engine, or a game engine that calls itself “open source” when it compiles jack shit without DirectX. That’s not open source software, it’s proprietary software with a useless piece of it open-sourced for no purpose except to justify lying about the whole thing being “open source.”

Deleted my original reply because it didn’t address the core issue enough.

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