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Bring on support for more devices, and I’ll likely switch with my next phone.
They’re working on an alternative device with a large OEM they’ve not disclosed yet. They’re aiming at releasing it in 2027.
The smart money is they’re going to go with Motorola, honestly idc who they go with it’ll likely be my next phone
Same here, i can’t wait to ditch my old xiaomi 10 full of bloatwares and ads
I’ve got the pixel 8 with graphene on it, it’s very nice but I also have a soft spot for emulation and the Tensor devices are trash for anything higher than GameCube tbh
I wouldn’t hold out an the GrapheneOS phone being any better. I hope I’m wrong but I’m not expecting top tier specs. I’m betting low specs (crappy screen) with a high price.
If you don’t like the bloatware… unlock the bootloader and install a custom rom! Luckily Xiaomi allows you to unlock the bootloader if you have a global variant.
Xiaomi discontinued their blootloader unlocking service.
sorry for the very late response (it’s better late than never, isn’t it?), but Xiaomi has its bootloader unlocking service active. I used it last year to unlock my phone.
Here you can get the official mi unlock program (it works on hyperos): https://en.miui.com/unlock/index.html
And here is a guide to unlock the bootloader: https://miuirom.org/updates/xiaomi-bootloader
(don’t do the usb debugging part, I don’t know if it is necessary on older devices but on every xiaomi device that I had you don’t need to enable usb debugging so mi unlock can communicate with fastboot)
edit: spacing.
edit 2: please don’t do the bootloader lock via direct fastboot command as stated in the guide, I strongly recommend that you do a clean flash of stock rom with mi flash tool, if you plan to lock the bootloader later.
Noted, thanks
Its not up to grapheneos devs which devices support bootloader relocking with different keys, literally only pixels allow this and without it you cant properly secure the phone.
(No OP, but…)
Well, unfortunately, we’re at an impasse, then. :(
If you don’t wanna use a pixel, just build it. It’s open source ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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They are in talks with a major android manufacturer to build graphene phone.
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I can only dream
And that is going to make it more obtainable then a pixel? And I’ll believe it when I see it and “major” yah right.
I wouldn’t have thought so tbh. I’m guessing just online orders only? Pixel aren’t officially supported where I live also unfortunately
That’s lineage… Much better, imo.
I have a Galaxy S22. How do I do that?
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Sorry bud. GrapheneOS specifically requires an OEM unlockable Google Pixel phone
I don’t think you can 😫
LineageOS or similar alternatives
Not on the list 😓
There are unofficial builds as well on xde forum, but indeed some models are not covered or tricky to do.
Ok, a few things :
- I dislike her pronunciation of GrapheneOS really emphasizing the “ene” part
- For anyone not wanting to be stuck buying a Pixel, new or used (still kind of pricey), look into LineageOS /e/, or CalyxOS (though CalyxOS is paused for an interal audit or something)
- What about other data being sent over your carrier network outside of just Google? You’re better off buying a plan for a mobile hotspot so it limits data that IDs you with your IMSI and IMEI info. Carriers otherwise still monetize your data, even though Google isn’t getting it.
My next phone will be whatever I want that’ll run LineageOS (sure, no “Titan chip”) but will run F-Droid store, and only run on a hotspot I’ll have with me (for work, goes in my work bag), anywhere else can sit in my car or pocket, etc. It’ll help as I use private/FOSS apps, randomized MAC for WiFi, VPN services, etc. Hushed or done 2nd phone nine for WiFi calling, etc
I also have been social media free for over a decade now. No Amazon, no streaming services, and self-host anything I can
(though CalyxOS is paused for an interal audit or something)
More like “Nick Merrill (the guy who fought NSL letters in court and started the project) and the lead developer departed without a single word and took the project’s signing keys with them”. You draw your own conclusions, but for me (a long-time CalyxOS user) those were huge red flags and caused me to settle on iodéOS for my new home.
Oil I hadn’t heard of IodéOS looking into it now as I planned on Lineage for better device support.
Thank you!!
To be fair, it’s built on top of LineageOS (credit where credit is due).
Yeah, I see that. I checked out the list of supported devices, I was hoping for newer, but I figure if it’s near on Lineage, maybe the newer OnePlus devices would work too. I just cant get behind $500+on used Pixels. A 12R or 13R would be preferred <$400
I used to like the Pixel a line, which clocks in at around 370 EUR / 435 USD for a new 9a where I live. My next one’s likely going to be a FairPhone though, because fuck Google (and it’s a European manufacturer).
I like the fair phone, or nothing phones, but I like the bigger screen and IR blaster that OnePlus offers.
I tend to buy <$200usd phones and use for 4 years (so: ~$50/year). I’m on a Pixel6A now, and plan to upgrade to an 8A at EOL in summer 2027. An unlocked 8A in “good condition” is $255 now on Swappa, and would get updates until summer 2031, so that meets the $50/year metric.
I’ll be interested in GrapheneOS’s new partner, but I suspect only their brand new phone will work, so… I’ll consider it in 2031 :)
I had Calyxos and switched away from it also.
Really like the Grapheneos. Google pixels seem to be good hardware. I’m going to buy an extra 7,8,or 9 pixel. Not sure if newer pixels will stay as useable.I installed GOS on an old Pixel 4a I had lying around. It seemed OK so far, but I didn’t do a lot of testing. Are you running it with sandboxed play services? How well does that work as compared to MicroG under CalyxOS?
Not using any play services or g-mail. I use busybusy for work, it says I need the play service but it works without it. My credit Union app works fine. I never got into using my phone to pay, so haven’t tried that.
I don’t need payments to work, I’ve never used Gmail, and most of my apps are FOSS ones off FDroid. But banking apps must work, and so do push notifications. The latter are my biggest issue: afaik, they run through GCM (part of Play Services), and you won’t get any unless an app has implemented an alternative listener (Signal does), which comes with more battery power draw. (How) do push notifications work for you without microG and Play Services?
I dislike notifications so have them pretty much turned off.
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Wow, thanks for the detailed answer! I’ve heard of ntfy, even considered running it in order to get notifications from my server. I guess you’ve given me new incentive to look into it more!
Technically you’re posting to social media right here, but I think we all got what you meant.
What do you compromise these days going to something like graphene versus a stock pixel? I know the advantages obviously, just wanting clarity on trade offs. Features that become unusable, vulnerabilities, etc.
The loss of most banking apps and Google Wallet (tap and pay). For me, those are the killer features you lose. And the reason I gave up on custom ROM’s on a FairPhone 3+ after many years.
I think “most banking apps” depends on your location. I never had any problems with them.
Yeah Google Wallet not working is annoying, but for me it’s a good tradeoff.
It’s not a location thing . . it’s a per-banking app thing. And specifically it’s a “does your banking app use Google Play integrity API” thing. On LineageOS running on my FairPhone 3 . . my banking apps all worked . . . until the day they didn’t. Here is a table reporting the current state of banking app comparability around the world . . but the next update from any specific bank could (and in my case did) break it -
PS. In the UK I did actually find an alternative to Google Wallet. . . Curve Pay. Not open source, but not dependent on Play Services. And enabled tap and pay on LineageOS.
What made you not use the web for your banking? Is the app 100% required? I use the web interface (forcing desktop version) for mine on graphene with no issues.
Can’t you do a separate profile on graphene and enable Google Play services there? Or am I misremembering?
I dunno if this is helpful or not but on mine I went to Settings > Apps, clicked on my banking app and then turned on “Exploit protection compatibility mode” and that got it working for me. Probably depends on the bank but might be worth a try!
Hey! Avoid Google by buying a phone from… GOOGLE!
Seriously. I wish the devs would work on bringing the OS to Samsung phones instead. They’re just as popular, if not more than Google Pixel phones.
Pixels have better security features than Samsung and doesn’t prevent you from using third party OSes.
More details here: https://grapheneos.org/faq#recommended-devices
What I don’t get is that is
Just buy refurbished. Better for the environment too.
Buy the phone used?
Also Samsung hasn’t allowed unlocked bootloader’s in a fucking minute nor do they publish their device trees
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Yea… Sure. You think Google doesn’t have hardware level telemetry? Ok buddy.
I got beach front property to sell you in Kansas.
For what. Thats a lot of effort for a small userbase. And most importantly a userbase that doesn’t see Google ads. Custom hardware is expensive and doesn’t provide much additional data for most users and provides unprofitable data for degoogled phones.
Google doesnt spy on us just because they are evil. They spy on us to sell more expensive targeted ads.
Yeah I think you just have to not let perfect be the enemy of good, as they say. I’m sure they still get something out of the mess of VPN’d sandboxed apps and addy.io burner email logins that make up my phone, but at least I can make things as difficult as possible for them.
Can the OS not monitor hardware level network usage on the device?
I’m curious if nobody has checked for something like that… it doesn’t sound hard to catch.
Huh… why’s this phone still calling homebase?
Maybe if it only activated over the mobile network?
Correct… The OS can not monitor TPMs. But TPMs can monitor the entire OS.
You think they’d find a way to obscure it from monitors on the same network, though? Maybe by only activating on a trusted mobile network?
I ran graphene on a Pixel 4A 5G for a while until that phone inexplicably died.
I now have a Pixel 8 Pro, and I haven’t installed Graphene on it. Why? Google wallet.
That shit is so convenient. That I can leave my own wallet at home and tap to get on transit, tap my work’s virtual credit card, etc is holding me back from a second install.
“I’d rather give up all of my data to Google so that I don’t have to… have the awful burden of carrying a wallet” lol
I just carry physical cards. I don’t really understand this “every step away from google must be painless” attitude.
No one said it did? It’s a service that I find great value in, and one that I had given up for a time and enjoy having access to again.
Everyone has their limit, this one is presently mine.
Why? Google wallet.
Sure, it is a step away that carries friction for me.
But you’re speaking in absolutes and blanketing “every step”.
I’ve taken many steps away from Google that were not “painless”.
I have a p8p as well and am a sucker for contactless pay.
I have a samsung android watch which costs like $50 second hand to get around the wallet not working on graphene.
I dont really care anymore about gathered metadata that much. I was more black and white earlier, but nowadays I just try to minimize the cloudification instead of being completely against it.
I choose my battles, and being against google wallet isnt really worth some effort from my side.
Oh, that’s a hot tip. I didn’t know the watches could handle tap to pay independent of the phone.
… Though I’m awaiting a new pebble, not sure I’d like to dual wield watches.
Looks like they have a link talking about this, and someone commented that they use a service mentioned for contactless payments.
https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2025/06/contactless-payments-with-grapheneos/
I haven’t reviewed this myself as it’s not a concern for me.
Thanks, I had seen this but Curve is UK specific.
It’s in the whole EU as far as I know.
Ah fair. All I get is “not available in my region”.
