Ignoring EFF’s warnings about the dangers and impossibility of implementing a new mandate for 3D print surveillance software, the California State Assembly has signed off on legislation to do just that. In the process, legislators amended the bill to make it even more confusing, while failing to address the risks to privacy, speech, and consumer rights. We must renew our call on legislators to drop this bill as it heads to the state senate, and protect the tools of creators in the state.
  • ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.comEnglish
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    12 days ago

    You can buy whole kits to build your own, the capacity to control what is made with the is about as much as if you tried to ban someone with a table saw from building a birdhouse.

    • TIEPilot@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      12 days ago

      tried to ban someone with a table saw from building a birdhouse.

      Thats a perfectly succinct analogy.

      • Lung@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        12 days ago

        Pretty sure you could make a gun too, which is the point of this 3D printer thing

        And like what about other CNC machines?

        I like that California is on the frontier of many tech laws, but this and the age thing are particularly dumb lately

        • Oneiros@eviltoast.orgEnglish
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          12 days ago

          Yeah I’ve lived in CA for about 10 years now and have loved it, but the new laws they are passing are making it extremely likely that I’ll be moving soon. Especially with tje fact that we are either getting either Becerra who’s in Big AI and Big Oils pocket.

        • TIEPilot@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          12 days ago

          I made an AR15 with a hobby drill press from Lowes at work. Give me a hunk of metal, a micrometer and a file and I can make you a gun.

          Or worse.

          • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
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            11 days ago

            Yeah, and that’s why you don’t have a meaningful social life. Because you obsess over building tools to kill people rather then spending your time learning how to build a better world.

            Grow the fuck up.

          • tomiant@piefed.socialEnglish
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            10 days ago

            And that is illegal, as it should be. The efficacy of a law has nothing to do with whether it’s moral.

            It’s like saying “we don’t have the manpower to police murder effectively, so we are gonna legalize murder”. It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of what the law is fucking for.

          • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            11 days ago

            Neat, I would’ve assumed you’d need a mill or a lathe, not just a drill press. Kinda want to know how to do it myself, since I own the former but not either of the latter.

            • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              11 days ago

              The upper reciever is the load bearing part on an Armalite, but it’s also not the regulated part. The lower receiver is, and all you need for that is a box that holds the trigger components in vaguely the right place, a hole that lines up the magazine, a hole to stick the buffer tube into at the back, and some way to nail the upper receiver to it.

              You could carve an AR lower out of wood if you were dedicated enough.

                • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
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                  11 days ago

                  No, you don’t. You can do literally anything productive with your life other than obsessing about killing tools.

            • TIEPilot@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              11 days ago

              It won’t be accurate or be a long baller w/o a lathe to make a rifled barrel. Not that you couldn’t mke a barrel with hand tools, it just would be very difficult.

              And like others have said, only the lower receiver is the controlled item. You goto Brownels and can buy 98% of an AR w/o a background check.

        • mctoasterson@reddthat.comEnglish
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          12 days ago

          Nobody tell California about a nail combined with certain diameters of pipe, because guess what, those can become guns too.

          • TIEPilot@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            12 days ago

            zip guns, lets bring in slam fired shotguns.

            Never doubt the ingenuity of man killing other men.

          • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
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            11 days ago

            Pleas do tell us the next time a birthday gets drive by’d by pipes and nails, otherwise, shut the fuck up dumbass.

    • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
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      11 days ago

      This is absolute horseshit from a gun nut.

      Guns are like quaaludes. Hard to manufacture precisely and reliably, easy to spot factories, and easy to regulate and control.

      Americans are the only dumbass country to not figure this out and think they’re special fucking snowflakes.

      • DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        11 days ago

        Actually ammo reloaded at home shoots better than factory ammo this is a known occurance. And guns put together with kits usually shoot better and have less problems than mass produced factory ones.

        Guns aren’t really that difficult to make. Hell that Japanese guy shot Shinto Abe with a gun he made himself although bit of a different thing because it used a battery to ignite the gunpowder but still the same idea.

        Making guns isn’t hard to do.

        3d printed ones are a joke though. You can only use them a few times before they become even more dangerous and unpredictable. Anyone who wanted to use an actual firearm would never use a 3d printed gun.

        Maybe one of those 200K metal 3d printers or whatever. But at that point it would be easier to machine the parts yourself out of metal. It really isn’t as difficult as you seem to think it is to do that.

        If they wanted gun control (which California already has a bit more of than other States) then they could pass a law doing that. This is 100% a surveillance law.

      • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        11 days ago

        Tell me you know nothing about metalworking and firearms, without telling me you know nothing about metalworking and firearms.