An oldie, but a goodie

  • fl42v@lemmy.ml
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    9 months ago

    Yeah, those mailing lists used to have some quite funny stuff; my favorite so far is smth along the lines of “whoever thought this was a good idea should be retroactively aborted”.

    But, on the other hand, damn it’s toxic. Should’ve really sucked to work on the kernel back then.

    • Julian@lemm.ee
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      9 months ago

      Someone else pointed out that he actually apologized for being toxic sometimes and took some time off as a kernel maintainer because of that. Nice to see.

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        9 months ago

        This happened on kernel 3.8, he stepped down on 4.18. That’s plenty of time time for as lot more fuckups.

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          9 months ago

          It’s not really a fuckup it’s like a fucksideways.

          The kernel was safe, only feelings were hurt

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            9 months ago

            I meant Linus’ behavior was a fuckup. And he probably fucked up a lot between this example and his stepping down.

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              9 months ago

              Was the product impacted? Did Mauro get his commit together?

              If the product was undamaged he was just rude. A fuckup means he hurt the mission, he hurt his goals

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                9 months ago

                You seem eager to pose this “if the product was undamaged” as if you can quantify what might have happened differently, but then in a comment below you ask someone else to prove that maintainers left.

                It might shock you to learn that products are developed by people. Actual people stay or leave and work wildly differently based on things like respect, expectations, and being in a hostile environment.

                Want proof of that? Go work on an actual project with a team sometime.

                edit - And this isn’t even accounting for the ways toxic communication impedes wider adoption of a product

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                  9 months ago

                  People who could be easily replaced. It’s a non issue.

                  I do work on software teams, and don’t conduct myself like Linus, because I’m not Linus. That pattern of communication isn’t available to me, an average engineer.

                  But if someone spoke to me that way (and they have) I took it as a clear signal I need to level up and act right. Not an invitation to feel bad about myself.

                  Linux has clearly not missed out on wide adoption in any way.