It’s wrong because anything this website builder can make, an existing template system would be able to do with admittedly more work. No designer needed.
It’s dumb because this is the argument used for literally anything that makes things easier for the layman. Would you rather we live without refrigerators so the milkman has a job? 🤦🏻♂️
The second is an ongoing argument with any AI model. And while it brings up a good point, it’s really just the same argument but with “freelancer” and “developer” instead of “artist” or “author.” It doesn’t actually have anything to do with the tool.
And the third is just… someone complaining in a non specific way that is both oddly condescending, while also ignoring the fact that companies (and people) can work on more than one thing. Shocking.
If these weren’t opinions, I’d say they were wrong. I mean, they are wrong to be clear, but I won’t say it.
Adding onto the middle two bullets (training on freelance work and reducing freelance jobs), existing freelancers already steal everything that isn’t available as a template. That’s how templates get made and moved from platform to platform. The history of web dev is all about someone doing something cool on their website and then someone else copying it and so on. Squarespace templates are just ripoffs of Wordpress templates which are just ripoffs of agency Wordpress work or agency/solo websites. There’s no copyright to that design already.
Also the market is fucking predatory for the layman. This is a net good in terms of democratizing the internet. Instead of forcing me to go to some Meta site where they control the dialogue, I can go to your site. Before small businesses couldn’t really afford the cost or maintenance for a site or just didn’t know where to start. A lot of freelance WP or Drupal or Magento stuff was so poorly secured that businesses got fucked by trusting the kid of the secretary who said they could do it for 10x than the firm quoted and the company couldn’t even figure out UpWork code exchanges. More importantly, there’s nothing stopping the freelancer from just doing this behind the scenes so you can’t really complain about lost jobs.
Code generation is a net win for everyone. If these same people aren’t shitting on Copilot or even privately trained Tabnine they have no place in this discussion.
It’s the same concerns as any automation. Their right to be angry, but it’s not going to stop. Adapt to the new changes or become irrelevant. Same story for all of human history.
“The steam loom is going to put weavers out of work, industrialization is a double edged sword and needs to be carefully considered”.
This is the same complaint made about literally every single AI programme. It’s not necessarily invalid, but if Mozilla doesn’t move into this space plenty of other competitors still will.
Why do you keep deleting your messages and re-replying with essentially the same thing?
I’ll repost my reply to your last deleted message:
As someone who has never had any particular compunction about sailing the digital seven seas, and generally has a liberal view of copyright laws and overly comprehensive intellectual property protections, I really don’t give a hoot about whether publicly accessible websites have been used as training data for a website creating system.
If you don’t want people/machines to read your intellectual property, don’t post it on the internet.
As someone who has never had any particular compunction about sailing the digital seven seas, and generally has a liberal view of copyright laws and overly comprehensive intellectual property protections, I really don’t give a hoot about whether publicly accessible websites have been used as training data for a website creating system.
If you don’t want people/machines to read your intellectual property, don’t post it on the internet.
I would say one potential upside for this is that it would be somewhat shocking for mozilla’s AI website builder to not build websites that work with Firefox.
Apparently a lot of developers are relying on Chrome only JavaScript packages and that is what is breaking several of the websites that I go to for Firefox.
Appropriately? Not a single comment on that post gives any good reason why they’re butthurt.
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The first is not just wrong, but also dumb.
It’s wrong because anything this website builder can make, an existing template system would be able to do with admittedly more work. No designer needed.
It’s dumb because this is the argument used for literally anything that makes things easier for the layman. Would you rather we live without refrigerators so the milkman has a job? 🤦🏻♂️
The second is an ongoing argument with any AI model. And while it brings up a good point, it’s really just the same argument but with “freelancer” and “developer” instead of “artist” or “author.” It doesn’t actually have anything to do with the tool.
And the third is just… someone complaining in a non specific way that is both oddly condescending, while also ignoring the fact that companies (and people) can work on more than one thing. Shocking.
If these weren’t opinions, I’d say they were wrong. I mean, they are wrong to be clear, but I won’t say it.
Adding onto the middle two bullets (training on freelance work and reducing freelance jobs), existing freelancers already steal everything that isn’t available as a template. That’s how templates get made and moved from platform to platform. The history of web dev is all about someone doing something cool on their website and then someone else copying it and so on. Squarespace templates are just ripoffs of Wordpress templates which are just ripoffs of agency Wordpress work or agency/solo websites. There’s no copyright to that design already.
Also the market is fucking predatory for the layman. This is a net good in terms of democratizing the internet. Instead of forcing me to go to some Meta site where they control the dialogue, I can go to your site. Before small businesses couldn’t really afford the cost or maintenance for a site or just didn’t know where to start. A lot of freelance WP or Drupal or Magento stuff was so poorly secured that businesses got fucked by trusting the kid of the secretary who said they could do it for 10x than the firm quoted and the company couldn’t even figure out UpWork code exchanges. More importantly, there’s nothing stopping the freelancer from just doing this behind the scenes so you can’t really complain about lost jobs.
Code generation is a net win for everyone. If these same people aren’t shitting on Copilot or even privately trained Tabnine they have no place in this discussion.
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It’s the same concerns as any automation. Their right to be angry, but it’s not going to stop. Adapt to the new changes or become irrelevant. Same story for all of human history.
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Those are stupid and I doubt any web developer wrote these. Unless they were also scared about WYSIWYG editors 25+ years ago.
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Not to be finicky, but neither of these necessarily indicate “development” experience.
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You don’t have to spam me by deleting and lazily reposting your comment.
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I guess even web developers can be stupid. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
“The steam loom is going to put weavers out of work, industrialization is a double edged sword and needs to be carefully considered”.
This is the same complaint made about literally every single AI programme. It’s not necessarily invalid, but if Mozilla doesn’t move into this space plenty of other competitors still will.
Mozilla is allowed to do more than one thing.
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Why do you keep deleting your messages and re-replying with essentially the same thing?
I’ll repost my reply to your last deleted message:
As someone who has never had any particular compunction about sailing the digital seven seas, and generally has a liberal view of copyright laws and overly comprehensive intellectual property protections, I really don’t give a hoot about whether publicly accessible websites have been used as training data for a website creating system.
If you don’t want people/machines to read your intellectual property, don’t post it on the internet.
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Step back, take a breath, and focus your beliefs into more succinct and tactful displays. And lose the passive aggressive judgment rhetoric.
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As someone who has never had any particular compunction about sailing the digital seven seas, and generally has a liberal view of copyright laws and overly comprehensive intellectual property protections, I really don’t give a hoot about whether publicly accessible websites have been used as training data for a website creating system.
If you don’t want people/machines to read your intellectual property, don’t post it on the internet.
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I would say one potential upside for this is that it would be somewhat shocking for mozilla’s AI website builder to not build websites that work with Firefox.
Apparently a lot of developers are relying on Chrome only JavaScript packages and that is what is breaking several of the websites that I go to for Firefox.
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