• TimeSquirrel@kbin.social
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    9 months ago

    I can’t imagine walking around and just assuming everything is a magic black box and not have the slightest curiosity about how something works.

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      9 months ago

      Believe it or not, not everyone is intersted in tech. Most people just live out their lives oblivious to how stuff works.

      Like me for example, I have almost 0 interest in medicine. The human body is not exactly a black box to me, but I don’t usually remember deseases names and stuff like that, even though some people remember all those things without putting too much effort into it.

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        9 months ago

        Medical stuff is not comparable to OS that you use on a daily basis. Everything just boils down that Windows was pre installed on such a huge amount of machines that “you have to be tech savvy” or whatever to use Linux. And the fact that no one wants to install anything that wasn’t installed the first time, makes it that much harder to switch to Linux. But I believe that we all are slowly spreading the word of Linux more and more with each year. We definitely will have a year of Linux for sure (eventually).

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          9 months ago

          Everything just boils down that Windows was pre installed on such a huge amount of machines that “you have to be tech savvy” or whatever to use Linux.

          Yes, I would agree that having Windows preinstalled on almost every brand name PC/laptop there is out there is the main reason why things are what they are.

          But, I’d also argue that, from your everyday user’s stand point, Windows is a lot easier to get office work done. Everything is pretty much GUI based, there is no terminal in Windows (cmd and PowerShell are not the terminal, you can’t do everything you can in a GUI in the cmd or in PowerShell, and vice versa, so it’s not the same), so from a regular user’s perspective, things are simpler.

          And the fact that no one wants to install anything that wasn’t installed the first time, makes it that much harder to switch to Linux.

          Why bother changing something that works and gets the job done 🤷… plus, they gotta learn new things if they did that, why make their lives harder.

          Not everyone cares about libre software… or even know it exists.

          But I believe that we all are slowly spreading the word of Linux more and more with each year. We definitely will have a year of Linux for sure (eventually).

          If this does happen, this won’t be within a year, it will be within several years (or a decade).

          But, I do agree that there are changes in a positive direction. Most software products (slosed source ones) now have at least a Debian/Ubuntu .deb package (which wasn’t the case 10 years ago, which wasn’t that long ago) and even do customer support for Linux (but only limited to that particular flavor of Linux which they provide the packages for… not an ideal scenario, but it’s not bad either).

          So, yeah, I’m optimistic, but not too much. It might eventually happen, but not in the near future IMO.

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            9 months ago

            Windows is a lot easier to get office work done. Everything is pretty much GUI based

            No, most popular Linux distros have every GUI app you need to do your office work. What do you need? Office suite, file manager and browser? Check, check, check. Moreover, you don’t have any office preinstalled on Windows and you even have to buy it (and the OS itself), or create a Microsoft account and use online, feature- and Internet-limited version. (With something like Fedora or Ubuntu you can run the live version from RAM from a USB drive, get done with your work, and you don’t even have to install the OS, let alone buy it.)

            Why bother changing something that works and gets the job done 🤷… plus, they gotta learn new things if they did that, why make their lives harder.

            The point is that it would work the other way around, if Linux was mainstream (I’m already wet) and Windows was in the minority.

            Not everyone cares about libre software… or even know it exists.

            Yes.

            If this does happen, this won’t be within a year, it will be within several years (or a decade).

            We can only dream if this will happen within a year. But decades already have passed and look where Linux is at: dominating server market share, all the IoT devices, government related stuff, developers, free-believers, FOSS enjoyers. We have SteamOS, Steamdeck, other handheld devices that are Linux-based, Proton, Lutris, Wine and other stuff. We have a lot of progress already. Desktop market share year by year does show that Linux and alike take a bigger and bigger cut. Withing a decade, everything will probably run on RISC-V architecture (something already does) and Linux will probably only become stronger and its community and market share will only grow.

            Most software products […] now have at least a Debian/Ubuntu .deb package

            Well, maybe not most, but definitely noticeable, if you search for/use it. I was very surprised to see Cisco Packet Tracer being available in a native .deb package (surprisingly, no one has created a comparable FOSS alternative thus far).

            limited to that particular flavor of Linux which they provide the packages for

            Side note. You don’t always need the support, and the packages themselves can and do become available on other platforms. AUR and Nix repositories are the largest ones that have community-created packages that only available on Ubuntu or Fedora, etc.

            So, yeah, I’m optimistic, but not too much. It might eventually happen, but not in the near future IMO.

            I’m sure the year of Linux will happen before I die, or at least the next generation after me will have it. The progress is really huge and kinda becomes faster with every few years.