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    8 months ago
    1. Electric cars run just fine in icy weather

    2. Heatpumps, which work a lot better for larger buses than smaller buses.

    Bus routes are generally short, fixed, and planned. They are literally the perfect place for an EV.

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      8 months ago

      AAA says that EV batteries tend to lose power faster in cold weather, getting as little as 50-60% of their advertised range.

      “Charging stations around the city are over capacity… Once their car is finally plugged in, it takes longer than usual to power up. “…They tell you it’s fast, but then it takes two hours to charge your car,” Marcus Campbell tells NBC Chicago.”

      https://www.pcmag.com/news/dont-buy-a-tesla-chicagos-ev-drivers-struggle-with-sub-zero-temperatures

      This weather is a worst case scenario and I doubt schools would be open anyway but sounds like EVs are having a tough time.

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        AAA says that EV batteries tend to lose power faster in cold weather, getting as little as 50-60% of their advertised range.

        Right, and the EVs that lose that much range are the ones with the smallest battery packs. The heating requirement as a percentage of the battery pack goes down as the battery gets larger. It takes roughly the same amount of energy to keep a 40kWh battery warm as it does to keep a 150kWh battery warm.

        The same logic doesn’t directly translate for a car as a bus.

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      You can generate a lot of heat with fuel-based heaters. Many buses already use these.

      Makes sense to have an aux fuel heat source for EV buses that may deal with cold climate a few weeks out of the year.

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        Buses will have fairly large batteries (Bird does 150kWh). The percentage of the battery needed for heat goes down as size goes up because the interior size is relatively negligible in how much added heating capacity is needed to keep the bus warm.

        But yes, probably wouldn’t be too crazy to throw on a propane heater in especially cold climates.