It feels like the amount of both, divisive posts and ghoulish comments is rising again.

One could argue that the world has a lot of divisive stuff going on and lemmy just talks about it. But the way people post about stuff seems more oot and hateful than it has been in the past.

Not saying it is that but if I wanted to bring the Fediverse down or at least keep my customers from going there, I would sow this stuff as much as I can.

I’m blocking ghouls left right and center atm but if I ever asked a friend to join lemmy, I’d hate to think of what they would see that I dont anymore.

Do we need stronger moderation?

  • Maybe ban politics from c/memes?
  • Become a little more stringent on “dont be a jerk” rules in communities?

One thing that really bothers me is the collapsing “discourse”. Trying to mend fences and keep the conversation between sides going ime leads to nothing but downvotes and shitstorm.

I feel like a little more interaction (instead of intervention, at first) of the moderators would do wonders there.

Thanks for reading this rant. Have a nice day.

  • blahsay@lemmy.worldEnglish
    71·
    7 months ago

    You’re not imagining it. I’m pretty sure you can see regular work from propaganda teams on lemmy. I’d love to see the backed logs to confirm it.

    They tend to work in very hostile teams to brigade topics.

    • haui@lemmy.giftedmc.comOPEnglish
      61·
      7 months ago

      I‘m encountering it this exact moment in a piracy discussion where some very abusive people start arguing for IP and excuse the blatant manipulation by calling limited licenses „buying“ and „owning“.

      • blahsay@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        7 months ago

        It’s interesting right?

        I’m thinking the architecture of the fediverse makes it particularly vulnerable to these sorts of attacks.

        I’m pretty sure I’ve spotted bots circle jerking on some subjects also which makes me think there’s a few different sources.

        • haui@lemmy.giftedmc.comOPEnglish
          21·
          7 months ago

          Very interesting indeed.

          I‘m starting to report, block and ban accounts from being viewed on my instance that use abusive language but from a systemic standpoint we should find a design solution to make this work.

          Reddit had karma for this reason among others. People needed to make helpful contributions to prove they are able to function in the group.

          For many reasons this is not implemented in the fediverse but a design solution would be good.

          • blahsay@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            7 months ago

            If I was designing an anti troll/bot system I’d implement a few things. Let’s call any bad actor on here a bot/troll or broll for ease.

            1. Reputation based posting isn’t a bad idea if carefully done
            2. When a broll is banned any users from the same ip are flagged a suspect and a subsequent ban causes delayed posting from that ip. If a VPN the instance host list has the same effect applied. Exceptions based on Reputation.
            3. You can check if text is ai/llm generated and an automated api check before posting and immediate ban if found.
            4. Checks on if a user posts inhumanly fast or is oddly active etc would be sensible.
            5. Any broll system has to be adaptive and measures taken need to be kept secret (this post for example).
      • ikidd@lemmy.world
        5·
        7 months ago

        I followed the thread you’re talking about, you might be a bit overly sensitive to what constitutes a conversation on the internet. I don’t find the trolling any worse or better today vs. last week or last year.

        You might want to make an account over at beehaw, they like to stay pretty sheltered over there and have defederated from, well, pretty much everyone.

        • haui@lemmy.giftedmc.comOPEnglish
          53·
          7 months ago

          Well, I‘m not a bit overly sensitive I just dont like to be manipulated and insulted. It frankly do not care how people treat their family and friends. Having a discussion without personal attacks is normal and everything else is normalized abuse.

          • intensely_human@lemm.eeEnglish
            4·
            7 months ago

            You mentioned them calling something buying and selling. Did they also insult and manipulate you?

            • haui@lemmy.giftedmc.comOPEnglish
              1·
              7 months ago

              Not sure if this is a sincere question.

              Manipulative and degrading rhetoric is what I‘m talking about. Bad faith arguments, assuming that someone arguing in a certain way must be naive or stupid, etc.

          • intensely_human@lemm.eeEnglish
            1·
            7 months ago

            Okay here. Since you want to mark me as a troll now, I’m just gonna stop being polite about how I do this. Because the polite way Om trying to do this is coming across to you as inauthentic, and the inauthenticity is coming across as trolling, and now you’re talking about applying this proposed mega ban hammer to me.

            I don’t believe that you’re capable of seeing this clearly, and I won’t believe it until I you have linked to at least ten comments, in other threads, that you think represent this particular type of toxicity you’re complaining about.

            • haui@lemmy.giftedmc.comOPEnglish
              1·
              7 months ago

              Whatever you think mate. Feel free to imagine anything you like.

              If you have arguments, feel free to argue. If not, just go somewhere else.