• WDX@feddit.de
    51·
    9 months ago

    Something something rm -fr / to remove the french language pack

  • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    44·
    9 months ago

    the people who troll or make fun of linux beginners are the same people who wonder every year why desktop linux isn’t more mainstream

    • Alborlin@lemmy.world
      145·
      9 months ago

      And 80% of these are on Lemmy, I mean put up a question or comment that how Linux is not helpful is simple tasks such as giving permissions to program without using command prompt , will get you downvotes/ you are idiot comments heavily.

    • elvith@feddit.de
      27·
      9 months ago

      Also it’s just wrong advice, since you explicitly need --no-preserve-root for it to work… /s

      Jokes aside, please don’t troll anyone with things, that can have severe consequences. Yes, they should have a backup. Yes, they should know how to restore from it. Yes, they should have tested it prior. Yes, you shouldn’t blindly trust people online.

      But even then: Assuming my backup works and I can easily revert the damage. Maybe I need to complete an assignment until tomorrow and just lost 1-2 hours because my PC was busy doing the restore? There’s always a high chance of collateral damage

    • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
      252·
      9 months ago

      Some people are really bad at empathy. They don’t actually, like, imagine the pain and confusion in the other person if they did unwittingly damage their computer. They’re thoughtless. That’s a lot of words to say “They’re kind of stupid.”

      And some people do imagine the pain of the victim, and do it anyway. Those people should probably be on a watch list before they start killing small animals or shooting up a school.

    • Punkie@lemmy.world
      10·
      9 months ago

      Having moderated forums back in the day, I can answer to some of that motivation.

      First, some people are just bullies. A sense of tribalism forms around bullies, who feel the need to act out and repeat the abuses they have endured. Hazing stems from this, too. Cruelty masked as “you should know better,” advice. Given too late.

      Some have a smug sense of superiority, and want to keep it that way. Less smart people means they stay king of the mountain. Others are scared their own lack of knowledge will cripple them if they don’t keep the potential competition down. Insecurities drown out any sense of empathy.

      Some people hate themselves so they punish others in retaliation. Like, trying to erase past cringe by making others hurt to even the score.

      A few are sick of “the same fucking newbie questions again and again and again,” but still hang out in newbie forums for some reason.

  • TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee
    263·
    9 months ago

    Yeah this is the is the biggest reason I dislike Linux forums in a broad sense. Snobby elitist pricks.

    Don’t even get me started on arch Linux forums… my favorite is when someone says is something like “this is super fucking simple you just follow this guide: [insert wiki link that is basically a scientific dissertation on the history of arch]

    • randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      9·
      9 months ago

      I also feel like a lot of those people are there just to be pricks. I don’t think they really know much at all so their input was unwarranted in the first place.

      The arch wiki is a very good resource and I use it for all Linux distros. But like most repositories of its kind, it gives you the how and not the why.

      That’s what most people want from another person, they ask “how” but I think they mean “why”.

    • Pantherina@feddit.deOP
      8·
      9 months ago

      I think the most annoying people in Forums:

      “Well I use Debian, and I use only native packages! I update manually because I need to resolve those dependency problems! Go to hell with your Flatpaks and telemitry, I want freedom! Also I will never use Wayland because Mate doesn’t support it”

      People thinking they can give advice, while they are clearly using outdated software, not scaleable maintenance effords, etc.

      I had this in the KDE forum. Literally 2 dudes telling me no system could auto update, while my system does, today.

    • Sanyanov@lemmy.world
      21·
      9 months ago

      The contrast is very strong with the Arch Wiki, which does a genuinely good job - for a set of short articles - at explaining how that whole machinery works. Yet, if you don’t understand something from there - good luck finding a person to explain what to do.

    • Surp@lemmy.world
      711·
      9 months ago

      It’s the same on Lemmy. Linux people live in a fantasy world…it’s like ya I’ve done some things on Linux but is it the best OS for most people? Nah. Not even close.

  • time_fo_that@lemmy.world
    20·
    9 months ago

    I asked for help on the Discord server of LinuxServer.io and they were literally talking shit about me to each other while I was in the chat because I didn’t understand their utter garbage documentation for a Docker I was having trouble with, even with a CS degree.

  • naonintendois@programming.dev
    17·
    9 months ago

    I trolled myself by “learning” that I could delete all files in a directory, including hidden files, with rm -rf ./*. The mistake being that I (more than once…) accidentally put a space between the . and /.

    • Bonehead@kbin.social
      16·
      9 months ago

      And that’s why every rm command should start life as an ls command and then change the command and options while not touching the target directory. Takes a little longer, but saves so much hassle when you do fuck up.

    • PlexSheep@feddit.de
      3·
      9 months ago

      I forced myself to use trash (from trash-cli) when I lost my first server install from this.

      Nowadays, I’ve removed the alias from rm that asked me to use trash, and am still using trash if there’s a chance I might want to keep something.

  • mmagod@lemmy.world
    7·
    9 months ago

    that being said… what’s a good website i can at least go to and learn some linux basics and progress to more advanced stuff? i’d at least want to check that out before i start bugging people…

    i had the opportunity to take a class back in college but 18 yr old me couldn’t handle a 7am class and know-it-alls in the back always interrupting the teacher and trying to show off in class…

    • sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      4·
      9 months ago

      The best places I learned from were installing gentoo in a vm and separately linux from scratch for the more advanced stuff. Though I learn more from doing than reading personally

    • Kühe sind toll@feddit.de
      3·
      9 months ago

      There are enty of books you can read. If you’re really interested in learning I suggest you may start learning how to write bash.

      For the rest I really would say, that just try doing stuff. Try to set up a docker, or other stuff. Also you can go to already solved Problems and try to understand what the problem was and what they did to solve it.

      Also: Just start trying to support people. Google(or any other Search Engine of your liking) is very useful for this. Even if you just find out what exactly the problem is, that helps.

      • mmagod@lemmy.world
        4·
        9 months ago

        thanks. i have a laptop i deliberately installed debian on… but that’s about it lol

        i’ll take you up on the support suggestion too… i recently had to figure out why a unix server went down at work. luckily we had a set of scripts and commands archived from the manager that supported it before he left. all i did was just run them with a little bit of logic and context applied, but it forced me to poke around a bit and seeing what each command did. i was careful enough not to break anything but i found it quite interesting

    • Sanyanov@lemmy.world
      61·
      9 months ago

      Written in a typical rude condescending hacker speak.

      Let’s call it for what it is - it’s more of a frustration vent than a guide. And this approach will certainly not make these people read through.

      There are always way more polite ways to put it, like:

      “Most of the questions you face about software are replied to by unpaid volunteers taking spare time to help you - thereby, the more effort you’ll put into properly filing the issue, the quicker you’ll get a response. Here are main points that we may need in order to help with your problem, and a way to obtain all information required”

    • Abnorc@lemm.ee
      83·
      9 months ago

      Before you ask a question, you must read the 10 page essay on how to ask questions. Asking questions is serious business after all, we can’t have people doing it incorrectly.

      • deaf_fish@lemm.ee
        3·
        9 months ago

        Your sarcasm is on point but there are a limited number of people who can answer some questions. They get flooded and are answering questions on their own free time. So some people get left in the dust if they don’t follow the rules.

        It sucks but I don’t see a way around it.

  • Samsy@lemmy.ml
    51·
    9 months ago

    I realised, that sometimes it is more like a different experience level. And some people forget it could be possible the asking person is an absolute newbie.

    And most people in forums are there because they want to help, but they want to help on this one asked case and won’t teach the whole Linux universe, most people need years of experience for.

    The good thing is, we can use AI for this nowadays, it won’t go mad if you are missing an elemental “you really should know, how this works” kind of error.

    • Pantherina@feddit.deOP
      2·
      9 months ago

      Yeah people need to find the startingpoint often.

      But it is annoying if people ask stuff that is like a single web search, or throw out nonsensical myths that make no sense.

      Especially on the GrapheneOS discuss really technical people like always help them, and I think this has to be very tiring

  • profdc9@lemmy.world
    4·
    9 months ago

    There is certainly a lack of perspective and empathy between those who spend their time concentrated on computer maintenance and those others who must perform other important tasks in their lives.