- cross-posted to:
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- foss@beehaw.org
- cross-posted to:
- opensource@lemmy.ml
- foss@beehaw.org
Maxim Dounin announces the freenginx project.
As such, starting from today, I will no longer participate in nginx development as run by F5. Instead, I’m starting an alternative project, which is going to be run by developers, and not corporate entities:
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The name of this project is a death sentence. F5 owns the NGINX trademark. A successful fork of this will need to have a new name.
When Oracle ruined Hudson, the community forked it and renamed it to Jenkins, and Oracle lost their investment. The same should be possible with NGINX (BSD vs. MIT, IANAL).
He’s russian. Trademarks and copyright doesn’t matter.
That might be true inside Russia, but not in the rest of the world. F5 could sue in the US and force the registrar responsible for the .org TLD to hand the domain to them.
In his place, I would chosen something related but different enough to avoid trademark infringement, like “Freeginx”. IANAL, but I believe sometimes all it takes is one letter to keep lawyers away.
TLDR; F5 owns Nginx. Making corporate over security decisions. New community fork from one of the core devs at http://freenginx.org/. Too new to know if it will be adopted by other mainstream projects that currently leverage/embed nginx.
Note: If you use nginx and are concerned about security, consider a look at projects such as
owasp/modsecurity-crswhich include security layers on top of nginx.That doesn’t seem to be the case. From what I read on HN, the dev quit because he thought it didn’t make sense to submit CVEs for temporary/wip solutions, and F5 thought otherwise.
So as I see it, the developer quit because he didn’t agree that a CVE should be opened for a work-in-progress solution that was live on Nginx.
So basically just drama?
That’s what I read, too.
It gives a new perspective on the subject.Sad to see the workforce being split up, though.
Making corporate over security decisions.
I read the opposite essentially, that F5 is publishing CVEs and the dev did not want them to.
Yeh, seems like the CVEs were against an alpha branch.
So, perhaps its a good reminder not to use alpha in production… But I feel it warranted a bug report instead of a “Common Vulnerabilities and Exploits” notice, normally something used to notify potentially production deployed systems of an issue.That would be like Pepsi issuing a product recall to all retail outlers for a product that has only been tested internally (kinda)
I think it’s more like pepsi issuing a product recall for something that has been accidentally left on the side of the road. You know you should not be drinking it anyway, but you also know someone would try it.
It was on purpose on the side of the road so people could gice feedback. But the issue wasn’t a health issue (privilege escalation, etc), it just wasn’t tasty (DoS). Something you really don’t want to sell in the store, but in an alpha/beta version it’s no big deal
I’ll justbuse this excuse to repost my thoughts from the other threas https://lemmy.ml/comment/8358568
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I will never understand how they became so massive.
I could say the same about Microsoft.
Sad to see such an established project split up
Kudos!
Does it actually make sense to call it free nginx? It seems like that’d just cause confusion, especially if the projects diverge. Most of the time when this happens they choose a new name (like MariaDB vs MySQL)
That being said, I wish the project all the best. I use nginx both professionally and personally so I’ll be keeping an eye on this.
probably wont be the name for long anyway.
aparently F5 Networks. owns a trademark for nginx.
That makes it even worse then 😅. The whole thing seems kind of silly
Sounds great. I hope this project succeeds.
A few years ago some other nginx devs also split off to create the fork Angie. I wonder why they didn’t join forces. My guess would be egos.
The “angie” fork shares the same problem as nginx run by F5: it’s run by a for-profit corporate entity. Even if it’s good enough now, things might change unexpectedly, like it happened with F5.
https://mailman.nginx.org/pipermail/nginx-devel/2024-February/YIFSHIYSKDFBYZ2QRA3WF6SRPGIBDBKI.html
Does nginx give me anything over apache httpd in the year of our lord 2024? I’ve used both for hosting servers but never really understood the difference, as apache seems to have incorporated the important improvements that nginx made iirc.
I hope they will not switch to AGPL.
Is AGPL really bad?
No, it’s very good, corpo lovers however hate it because it cuts the hands of corpo trash and also lax licenses
It’s really good that I cannot statically link with something GPL or AGPL licensed without licensing my software GPL?
GNU is failing, in the rise of Chimera Linux.
corpo lovers however hate it
(After capitalism is socialism. When corpo can’t exist along with the society, we will help you in political and you will help us to get from poverty to capitalism, to achieve socialism as soon as possible?)
because it cuts the hands of corpo trash and also lax licenses
So *GPL aren’t considered free software, they are just open source, because they restrict modification and redistribution. Then you borned the term FOSS which is superfluous, to get the BSD license and GPL in the same house?
(GNU still illegally use the term “free software”)
Well, it hinges on your philosophical stance. GNU prioritizes user freedom by licensing every software piece and its derivatives under Free Software licenses like GPL. The advantage lies in creating an environment where constant license checks are unnecessary, providing a more streamlined and freedom-focused user experience.
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Read the last part of my inital answer, it’s solely that way because no one has the time to keep checking licenses with software.
Sorry, I thought the comment were by the AMDIsOurLord guy
Actually, GNU is free software because it not only preserves the freedom of the user but it also preserves the freedom of the entire ecosystem. Lax licenses allow those freedoms to be taken away, a corporation can use that software to create a proprietary alternative and outcompete the open source one. With GPL, such maneuver is impossible.
No, free software does not have any restriction in any granted right, it is a requirement if they want themselves attributed.
GNU put restriction on modification and redistribution. Then they are just “open source”, then they have do define the term “Free and Open source software” which use more words to describe the same thing (assume free software = foss, because GNU always claimed they are making free software).
With GPL, such maneuver is impossible.
Much innovations is impossible.
And such long word for a license, I don’t want it fill up my A4.
Yes it is, that’s the point
Look at the corporate exploitation of free software and see that Stallman was right
Chimera Linux is the point.
But it is project’s philosophy, both BSD and GNU project will flame us if you teach them about licensing things
Disaster comes from our mouth
Lol some shitty distro used by almost nobody, and serves no interest other than corpo lover’s interests
At least I escape unreadable and unmodifiable GNU stuff
I saw your interest in Marxism-Leninism. Marx taught: Labor productivity is the premise for this society to win over the old society (poorly translated because I read translated textboot)
(Năng suất lao động là tiền đề để xã hội này chiến thắng xã hội cũ)
So the communists must learn to do business. Otherwise it is dogma, moralism (and soon become revisionism). Look at Viet Nam, we would have a pure capitalist government if we don’t switch to market economy (reactionalists backed by US would rebel and they are supported by 3/4 Vietnamese poor people). Now 3/4 poor people have fallen into history.
“Freen Ginks”
