• megabat@lemm.ee
    2·
    8 months ago

    Oh how quickly people forgot about Plasma 4. When a Debian stable is released with Plasma 6 then I’ll know it’s ready for me. I don’t rush into major KDE releases anymore.

    • flying_sheep@lemmy.ml
      12·
      8 months ago

      4 is two major versions back. For this statement to be fair, you should have evaluated it against 5. (Spoiler alert: that release was super smooth)

  • neonred@lemmy.world
    2·
    8 months ago

    Debian sid user here. If it appears now or in two weeks in the repo does not change anything for me as I don’t depend on the changes for my workflows. For Debian Stable I actually demand them to come much later, in a mostly bugfree version. What’s the rush when it probably needs more field-testing?

  • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
    1·
    8 months ago

    In about 2 years. By that time it will actually be stable and pretty much bug free. For me Debian is the only distro that provides a reliable experience.

      • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
        1·
        8 months ago

        Well I don’t actually use KDE. I just am stating what I’ve noticed in the past. KDE doesn’t have stability as a priority so using old versions is really the only way to not have bugs.

  • circuitfarmer@lemmy.world
    1·
    8 months ago

    I mean, the point of Debian is stability. If I’m running Debian then I’m not even gonna want to try and install the thing until after I’ve seen 100 people use it. I don’t think they’ll be looking for it in repos.

    • Pantherina@feddit.de
      02·
      8 months ago

      Plasma 6 is the most tested release EVER. There where at least 5 ways to test it, there was KDE Neon and a dedicated atomic Fedora image for it.

      There are many bugs only fixed in Plasma 6.

      So it is debateable

      • KISSmyOS@feddit.de
        2·
        8 months ago

        Both of you misunderstand the point of Debian’s stability.
        When I run Debian Stable I want to be sure nothing changes about how the system works, until I have time to plan an upgrade.
        So KDE6 could have literally zero bugs and it still wouldn’t make sense to push it into a current Debian release, because it has new features.

        • Pantherina@feddit.de
          1·
          8 months ago

          I think backwards compatibility is the keyword here. That would be the biggest requirement to allow updates.

          New bugs, and maybe for example new hardening policies needed, could be another one. Maybe a future firefox implements feature x and you want to / have to disable that.

          But at the same time Firefox is the best example of upstream doing the versioning. They know when to freeze features and likely backport every security critical issue. Thats not the case with many other packages debian ships, where it just doesnt ship updates whatsoever.

  • YeetPics@mander.xyz
    21·
    8 months ago

    Haha those stupid idiots are big dumb for not knowing about the incredibly niche thing.

  • f00f/eris@startrek.websiteEnglish
    1·
    8 months ago

    If you’re using Debian stable, hopefully you fully expect and want not to get major software updates until long after they release, in exchange for a more predictable system.

    I’m excited for Plasma 6 but I’m very willing to wait for it, and stick to 5.27 as a daily driver for the next year.

    • bisby@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      8 months ago

      They might include it. Or they might not. If they don’t have time to test it, they just won’t, and you may wind up with 5.27 for longer than just the next year if you’re waiting for debian’s stable repos.

      debian’s neovim is on version 0.7.2 (even in trixie/sid, you have to go to experimental to get to 0.9.5, which is the current). If there are any bugfixes between 0.7.2 and 0.9.5 that aren’t security backported… too bad. You aren’t getting it any time soon, because it’s not landing in Trixie, and it’s not guaranteed to land in whatever is after that either.

      Debian’s “stable” refers to “predictable” like you said. Which includes bugs being predictable. Not resolved. Predictable. And if you have a bug that crashes your system, that bug will stay there unless it’s a “security” issue. Predictable crashing. NOT the “doesn’t crash” that people seem to think “stable” means.

        • KISSmyOS@feddit.de
          1·
          8 months ago

          I did. Something about the combination of Debian, KDE, Wayland and nvidia drivers made the system unstable.
          After googling the issue for a bit, the consensus was that that just isn’t a good combination.
          So I switched distros and now everything works.

    • bruhduh@lemmy.world
      2·
      8 months ago

      Can confirm, after 8 years of distro hopping i stopped at Debian, Debian is for home servers and tired ass mothafuckers

    • flying_sheep@lemmy.ml
      21·
      8 months ago

      I tried Debian for my very first Linux install very long ago. Its installer formatted my windows partition despite me explicitly telling it not to.

      Never touched it after. Not out of resentment, but because I just don’t need it for anything.