• SuckMyWang@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Centuries of violence? Try prehistory. Humans have always used violence if someone takes more than they contribute.

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      7 months ago

      I’d say violence is much more often used by people to take more than they contribute than the converse. Violence against the takers is so rare they write about it in history books.

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        7 months ago

        I should have said more than they need. Humans will look after people who can’t look after themselves.

        Which does make you think. For example if one person who has the knowledge is trying to build a bridge and they need a lot of resources to build it and someone else keeps coming along and taking some of that large pile because they think the person has too many resources, then that person can’t complete the bridge and noone gets the benefit from the bridge.

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      7 months ago

      Humans have always used violence if someone takes more than they contribute.

      In the grand scheme of things, using violence against those who take more than they contribute (i.e., the upper class) is one of the things we do least often.

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        7 months ago

        And yet give two kids a cookie and a knife and watch how carefully they divide that cookie. Fairness is a very old instinct.

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          7 months ago

          Humans are for the most part inherently fair and cooperative.

          But sociopaths aren’t, so they think no one else will do anything without the threat of starving to death.

          And the sociopaths have been making the rules since the mid 80s.

          Untold damage done to humanity and civilization just so a handful of old white men can be ridiculously, unspendably rich.

          And we are taught to idealize them.

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            7 months ago

            Calling anyone who does this stuff a sociopath is such a simplistic way to view things. You know beside the fact a sociopath isn’t an official diagnosis. It’s a fallacy to call everyone of these people mentally ill, sure it’s easier to otherize people rather than accepting some of these pieces of shit of sound mind. It’s hard to believe people can be capable of these things without something mentally wrong with them.

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              7 months ago

              Not really, and it used to be a diagnosis. This is not a formal academic setting and I am not talking exclusively to mental health professionals.

              There is study after study showing that people who rate high on the Hare scale, who the layman would call sociopath/psychopath are SIGNIFICANTLY overrepresented per-capita in positions of highest power such as politician, or some flavor of executive officer.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpyIZ4DGIK8

              Other studies have shown that sociopaths are very effective at acquiring power, but are TERRIBLE at using that power to forward the company’s goals, because they are raging narcissists.

              https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10551-022-05303-x

              I’m not exactly sure why you are defending the mentally ill power brokers that are turning our world to shit, you may want to re-examine your values.

              But you probably won’t.

              • Doof@lemmy.world
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                7 months ago

                There isn’t study after study saying that, hell the one study that people point to have been pulled apart. I don’t like calling every asshole a mentally ill person, it has nothing to do with defending pieces of shit CEOs. Spreading bad research is also a problem. This idea of speaking up when people throw around terms Willy nilly is me defending the behaviour or the people is ridiculous. This little gotcha at the end is also pathetic. “Reexamine” my ass.