Your right with respect to the never Hillary / DNC corruption crowd. The problem now is the “wedge issue” your referring to right now is a literal genocide. The morality of an endorsement of Biden being complicit, if not directly supporting through gifts of arms, in the knowing murder of tens of thousands of civilians, actively protecting the aggressor in the UN, is just so starkly different.
It’s plainly wrong now, and the history that is written of the US support for this genocide will be ugly and dark. Sometime many years from now my daughter may learn about this and ask what I did, and so is my answer that I voted to support the leader who made the genocide possible because that was the lessor of two evils? Perhaps that’s the right choice, Trump and Republicans are objectively worse for her future, but “Yes I supported Genocide Joe, but…” is not a very satisfying answer.
Another problem though is enthusiasm. I may ultimately vote for the lessor of two evils, but I can’t imagine feeling inspired to donate or knock on doors for the genocide candidate.
Ok, so you’re on the fence about taking the bait on the genocide wedge issue. I get it, Gaza is a travesty.
But voting Red or Blue doesn’t change that. Voting independent or not voting doesn’t change that. There is no way that anyone who is against supporting Isreal will win this election. 0 chance.
Genocide in Ukraine and beyond actually is on the table, though. If Trump wins, the US will stop Ukraine support on day 1, and actually be actively discouraging NATO support, at best. And that’s just genocide, let alone everything else Trump will destroy.
If your thinking about your conscience long term, think about that.
That’s fair. Another option, which might sound crazy but hear me out, is maybe the president just stops funding genocide. Fucking Regan told Israel to stop fighting in Lebanon and they did. So maybe our democratic president, dependent on left wing voters for support, should think about having at least as much balls as Regan. Then maybe Biden wouldn’t have to avoid college campuses: https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1763606297214152819
Instead of worrying about whether people like me will ultimately swallow support for one genocide in favor of protecting other issues, maybe worry about the 120 year old guy willing to tank his reelection just to support a genocide. If Biden loses it’s not because lefties didn’t fall in line, it’s because Biden failed as a leader in building a coalition. We ended up with Trump the first time cause Hillary was a shit politician. We’ll end up with Trump again for the same reason.
No it’ll be because of you, and when you’re getting dragged away. Your ideals, won’t matter. But having installed a flat out dictator (that will 100% support Israel and destroy the Ukraine). You’re going to say " I didn’t vote against the dictator but it’s not my fault!"
But hey! In your own mind you can blame someone else! That’ll make it alright? When LGBTQs are getting run down in the streets, it’s legal to rape women, and religious indoctrination invades every facet of American life. You can sit back be smug and say I did that!
No the wedge issue, is losing everyone in THIS COUNTRY the right to vote FOREVER.
You think the first round of Trump was bad, when he gets back in because of fucktards like you. He ain’t leaving, and it won’t be pretty for any of you “progressive”, I’m voting my ideals types.
Your right with respect to the never Hillary / DNC corruption crowd. The problem now is the “wedge issue” your referring to right now is a literal genocide. The morality of an endorsement of Biden being complicit, if not directly supporting through gifts of arms, in the knowing murder of tens of thousands of civilians, actively protecting the aggressor in the UN, is just so starkly different.
It’s plainly wrong now, and the history that is written of the US support for this genocide will be ugly and dark. Sometime many years from now my daughter may learn about this and ask what I did, and so is my answer that I voted to support the leader who made the genocide possible because that was the lessor of two evils? Perhaps that’s the right choice, Trump and Republicans are objectively worse for her future, but “Yes I supported Genocide Joe, but…” is not a very satisfying answer.
Another problem though is enthusiasm. I may ultimately vote for the lessor of two evils, but I can’t imagine feeling inspired to donate or knock on doors for the genocide candidate.
It’s a fucked situation.
Ok, so you’re on the fence about taking the bait on the genocide wedge issue. I get it, Gaza is a travesty.
But voting Red or Blue doesn’t change that. Voting independent or not voting doesn’t change that. There is no way that anyone who is against supporting Isreal will win this election. 0 chance.
Genocide in Ukraine and beyond actually is on the table, though. If Trump wins, the US will stop Ukraine support on day 1, and actually be actively discouraging NATO support, at best. And that’s just genocide, let alone everything else Trump will destroy.
If your thinking about your conscience long term, think about that.
That’s fair. Another option, which might sound crazy but hear me out, is maybe the president just stops funding genocide. Fucking Regan told Israel to stop fighting in Lebanon and they did. So maybe our democratic president, dependent on left wing voters for support, should think about having at least as much balls as Regan. Then maybe Biden wouldn’t have to avoid college campuses: https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1763606297214152819
Instead of worrying about whether people like me will ultimately swallow support for one genocide in favor of protecting other issues, maybe worry about the 120 year old guy willing to tank his reelection just to support a genocide. If Biden loses it’s not because lefties didn’t fall in line, it’s because Biden failed as a leader in building a coalition. We ended up with Trump the first time cause Hillary was a shit politician. We’ll end up with Trump again for the same reason.
No it’ll be because of you, and when you’re getting dragged away. Your ideals, won’t matter. But having installed a flat out dictator (that will 100% support Israel and destroy the Ukraine). You’re going to say " I didn’t vote against the dictator but it’s not my fault!"
But hey! In your own mind you can blame someone else! That’ll make it alright? When LGBTQs are getting run down in the streets, it’s legal to rape women, and religious indoctrination invades every facet of American life. You can sit back be smug and say I did that!
Also not voting doesn’t make you complicit lol. Fucking Lemmy’s.
Example #36473 of Dems being weirdly gleeful talking about all the terrible things Republicans are going to do to women an queer people.
I wonder why people don’t trust you guys lol
How is he a dictator? Also he will die soon. So not a long dictatorship. Maybe not even a full term.
No the wedge issue, is losing everyone in THIS COUNTRY the right to vote FOREVER.
You think the first round of Trump was bad, when he gets back in because of fucktards like you. He ain’t leaving, and it won’t be pretty for any of you “progressive”, I’m voting my ideals types.
With “allies” like you who needs republicans
Seriously…fucking libs.