The tips, ads, and recommendations you see will be more generic and may be less relevant to you.

And this is treated as a bad thing?!

The number of ads you see won’t change, but they may be less relevant to you.

Send only info about your device, its settings and capabilities, and whether it is performing properly.

In other words, even after turning off all the settings, your data still gets collected.

The rest of the installation process wasn’t fun either. It was worded in this weird, condescending tone, like “Let’s get everything set up for you”, and “Let Cortana help you get things done!”.

Thank goodness for FLOSS and GNU/Linux.

  • index@sh.itjust.works
    222·
    7 months ago

    If linux had all these settings on installation everyone would be saying that it’s to hard for normies to install

  • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee
    201·
    7 months ago

    Yea, it’s really shitty.

    Enterprise folks don’t have this problem because they use the WAIK (or whatever it’s called now) to customize the installer.

    Anyone can use it, and from what I’ve read, the Win10 generation of the kit is much easier to use than previous versions (which were pretty bad).

    But yea, this stuff is awful.

    Checkout things like WinDebloat, Privatezilla, Winaero Tweaker, and LoveWindowsAgain. There’s some overlap between them (as they were built for different purposes), but they all pretty much kill telemetry at the service or installed level (as in remove the components providing telemetry).

    Yea, it’s BS you have to do this. And screw MS for this crap.

    • jelloeater - Ops Mgr@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      7 months ago

      LTSB or LTSR I forget which. Toss some classic shell in there, boom, Win 10 like you remember Win 7 was like. Too bad they fucked up 11 so bad I switched to Ubuntu.

      • NostraDavid@programming.dev
        2·
        7 months ago

        It’s LTSC (Long Term Service Channel) nowadays - It’s the LTS version of Windows 10. Fewer updates, more stability of your OS in general. It’s neat!

        No Windows Store by default, but it’s possible to install that separate, should you really need it.

    • Neato@ttrpg.networkEnglish
      11·
      7 months ago

      I think the pro version doesn’t have most of this too. I’ve never seen an ad in w10 and 11

      • viking@infosec.pub
        5·
        7 months ago

        They don’t show explicit banner ads or anything, but every now and then there will be links to “recommended software” in your start menu’s app drawer or the notification thing in the bottom right (not the taskbar, that foldable drawer thing).

        You can disable those as well, but not by default.

    • MagneticFusion@lemm.ee
      14·
      7 months ago

      If he is using Windows in a VM, he probably already runs Linux as his base OS and is using the VM for a windows only app

    • umami_wasabi@lemmy.ml
      31·
      7 months ago

      Maybe also not Ubuntu or RHEL? I heard they also collect telemetries and hard to trun off. Unsure.

      • ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world
        12·
        7 months ago

        Ubuntu will ask you if usage data can be collected and sent to canonical when you first log in after installation. You get to look at the exact data that would be sent before making a decision and if you say no, then they’ll comply with that and never ask you again.

      • umbrella@lemmy.ml
        3·
        7 months ago

        i actually uninstalled the telemetry package and it stopped even being able to enable telemetry

  • cygon@lemmy.world
    11·
    7 months ago

    I love the “Let’s finish setting up your device” popup that prevents me from using my VMs regularly.

    The "Let's finish settings up your device" popup of Windows 10, acting as if you forgot to let Microsoft scan your face, tell them about your phone, buy an office subscription, store your data on Microsoft servers and start using Microsoft's browser.

    Like some condescending peddler trying to slam-dunk your agreement as a foregone conclusion.

    Come on, buddy, let’s do those remaining tasks, let’s have Microsoft scan your face, tell Microsoft about your phone, let’s go and install those Microsoft apps missing from your phone, and your laptop, too, and then we go buy that Office subscription and have you store your important files on Microsoft’s servers and we really need to get around to switching to Microsoft’s web browser now.

    And the only option you get is “Yes” or “Remind me later.”

    If you turn it off (and it needs to be turned off in two places), it’ll be back on as soon as Microsoft publishes the tiniest update to any of its unwanted services. Harrghrrr! (artery popping noises)

    • only0218@sh.itjust.works
      5·
      7 months ago

      Turn off “Offer Tips and Tricks to finish setting up this device” ( At least for me that was permanent. Otherwise you might use something like O&O shut up 10, also the setting is per user )

  • Grass@sh.itjust.works
    82·
    7 months ago

    I still don’t get why people keep defending it. Win+e doesn’t even open to a panel that lets me open the c drive without clicking other shit and waiting for it to appear first. An update also just put the search bar back on the task bar when I explicitly disabled it as soon as I got through the bad default options for days during the install. It also added copilot. Auto update is also supposed to be disabled.

    While I’m at it fuck every dev that uses libraries/framework/etc that is known to not work in wine. There are thousands of better ways to be a shitty dev.

    • index@sh.itjust.works
      61·
      7 months ago

      I still don’t get why people keep defending it.

      With microsoft being the most valuated company in the world rest assured that many of the people defending their products are getting paid to do it.

    • InputZero@lemmy.ml
      1·
      7 months ago

      The only reason I don’t completely despise Windows is because it, along with Mac OS, has made computing available for the masses. The average person doesn’t have the time to learn how to use a computer. They just want to use it. That in my subjective opinion is a good thing. A very strong, and valid argument could be made that it’s a faustian bargain, probably because it is.

      • PirateMike94@lemmy.world
        0·
        7 months ago

        Yeah. I’ve been wanting to adopt Linux as a daily driver, but unfortunately there are programs that simply aren’t made for anything other than Windows/Mac. I seriously do hope programmers start investing more in software for Linux so that I can make the switch permanently.

        • Lemongrab@lemmy.one
          01·
          7 months ago

          See if the software is compatible with Wine, a compatiblity layer for Windows software to run on Linux.

    • Fluke@lemm.ee
      4·
      7 months ago

      I had one of the 23 machines in the world that ran Windows ME flawlessly. :(

    • Rolling Resistance@lemmy.world
      0·
      7 months ago

      I was lucky if everything worked. Usually it had troubles with peripherals, network, or even the USB drive it was on. But none (?) of this crap.

      • Scolding0513@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        7 months ago

        fair. i used Windows 2000 a crapton, and I think 2000 was the king of true Plug N Play. that bitch would take ANYTHING. hell, even these days I’ll stick modern Kingston USB 3.0 drives into it, just to see if it works, and it won’t even bat an eye 🤣

    • Darken@reddthat.com
      2·
      7 months ago

      Even if offline…

      But It can be bypassed with dodging and weaving (shift+(some button) the bypass command thingie…)

      Safe to say that normal people won’t be casually bypassing it

    • stratosfear@lemmy.sdf.org
      0·
      7 months ago

      With win10 you should be able to click the small text to get a local account but yeah I think with newer win11 installers you have to be off the internet for a local account. And then when you do log in with your MS account to save your license (important when using a Win7 OEM key to license win10) it would convert your profile to online, and then you had to “do steps” to put it back to local. Annoying af

      • Davel23@kbin.social
        1·
        7 months ago

        When installing Windows 11, say you want to log in with your Microsoft account, then when it asks for email address and password enter a@a.com and any random password. It will say the account has been deactivated and let you create a local account. No need to be offline.

  • trippingonthewire@lemmy.ml
    4·
    7 months ago

    The year is 2050

    Booting up Windows84

    Hello, your NSA overseer is Mr. X

    It appears that you have committed 147 thought crimes this week…your accounts shall be ghosted for the time being.

  • Warjac@lemmy.world
    3·
    7 months ago

    Yeah sadly as a gamer I HAVE to put up with Windows. But Next time I build a machine I’m definitely dedicating a whole drive to a linux OS because fuck Windows and their petty marketing shit.

    • _cyb3rfunk_@lemmy.world
      31·
      7 months ago

      Personally I treat my windows pc as a gaming console. I play games on it and nothing else. Then it becomes a non issue: so what if they track my gaming activity?

    • trippingonthewire@lemmy.ml
      1·
      7 months ago

      You should get a Steam Deck, I want one as it seems pretty awesome. It runs Linux and you can sail the seven seas like crazy on there, yk?

      Honestly, I haven’t played games in a while but in the future, when I feel like gaming again, the Steam Deck will likely be my thing.

    • Howdy@lemmy.zip
      1·
      7 months ago

      I made the jump back last fall. I’ve ran into one game so far I couldn’t play and that was just because of it’s anticheat software (the game was “hell let loose”). Check out Pop!_os. The GPU drivers are preinstalled in the kernel and just work. For both Nvidia and AMD. Steams proton and lutris/wine have made everything easy to play. Never going back to windows now.

      • Dublin112@lemmy.world
        2·
        7 months ago

        There are unfortunately still too many games that my friends and I play that won’t work on Linux. In my own situation, I’d be alienating myself from my friends from switching over even though I really want to. Not to mention I built my PC with a Nvida card which all I hear is that it either works perfectly for you, or you better buy an AMD card so there are still some valid reasons for people not to switch. Once windows 11 is forced upon me is when I’ll cut my losses though. Glad to hear that it’s a good enough experience for you though!

        • hackris@lemmy.ml
          11·
          7 months ago

          I have to agree. I used to play Rainbow 6 with my friends. I enjoyed it, because I was addicted to gaming and they were the only friends I had. After I switched to Linux, I couldn’t play R6 online, which led to them… well… not being friends with me anymore. I’m glad I got out, because if the only thing keeping them being friends with me were the all-nighters of Rainbow, there was no friendship to speak of (I knew these people offline, not just online). After this I eventually stopped gaming completely, not because of a few very minor compatibility issues, but because I realised how much time I was wasting gaming.

          So essentially, not only did Linux help me get back control of my computing, but it also completely eradicated my gaming addiction and helped realise what functioning relationships look like, since I even started socialising more. An absolute bargain!