• h3rm17@sh.itjust.works
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    8 months ago

    Hey, as a non-USA person, out of sincere curiosity… He was already your prez. There was no doomsday, your country did not dissappear into ashes, “all your rights” were not stripped away. Didn’t get to war with anyone, which, for your country, is definitely a first. Sure, he is a loud mofo, and talks a lot of shit.

    Why does everyone on lemmy/reddit make it sound like he will bring the end days and all that stuff continuosly?

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      8 months ago

      A million people died from COVID because he encouraged anti vax conspiracies. He pulled the USA out of the Iran Nuclear deal. His Supreme Court picks rolled back abortion rights. His cabinet was full of grifters who sabotaged public services like the post office or the dept of education.

      He did lots. I’d like him to never do anything again.

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        8 months ago

        A million people died from COVID because he encouraged anti vax conspiracies.

        Trump was actually very pro-vaccine. That was his solution to COVID. Remember Operation Warp Speed? His followers were anti-vaxxers. What caused all of the deaths was Trump downplaying the danger, discouraging preventative measures like mask-wearing, promoting fake cures like hydroxychloroquine, and just generally being anti-science.

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          8 months ago

          Do you happen to have a source of a single time Trump directly told people to get the vaccine?

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          8 months ago

          Didn’t hear one point tell people to look drinkbbleach as a potential solution to COVID?

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      8 months ago

      Hey, also non-USA person.

      If you’re genuinely not aware of the empowerment of nationalist and racist views around the entire world simply due to Trump’s rhetoric from the platform of POTUS then you’re either living under a rock or intentionally disingenuous.

      Sure, the USA didn’t literally start wars or commit any new genocides during his presidency, but that was never the point. If one promise was kept by Trump it was that attention would turn inward to the US’s own affairs, and boy did they ever. A stacked supreme court, an enraged nationalist voter base that refuses to accept defeat, the systematic erosion of personal rights one state at a time targeting the most vulnerable populations.

      If you think any of those things would’ve happened under any other president, or that they don’t have any spillover effects to other countries, then I have a really neat suspension bridge in California I’d like to sell you.

      The groundwork is laid, and accepting the follow-up just because round one wasn’t the literal end of the world is short-sighted to the point of absurdity.

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        8 months ago

        Blaming the rise of nationalist and conservative views (which, unlike racism, are not inherently bad) in the entire world on Trump is a bit reductionist, especially taking into account they are usually reactionist movements. For example, in Spain, the Vox party (a right wing party) was founded in 2010 just when Podemos (a left wing party)

        Still, precisely because he was so absolutely loud and a bit of a madman, I’m not really sure how much of it is propaganda from either the left, the right, or whomever.

        So what rights did he erode, for example? I guess those laws are public, but from what I had heard he took power from the fed goverment and gave it to each state, which was supposed to be kind of the thing of the USA (in our country, the right wanta to do pretty much the opposite though, curiosly enough)

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            8 months ago

            Whats a sea lion, in this context? I know an animal, but in this context. Wasnt roe v wade about giving each state the right to choose their abortion laws?

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      8 months ago

      He wants to end what little democracy the US has. He was unwilling to peacefully transfer power to Biden, and his followers tried to stage a coup. His plan to turn the US into a dictatorship is public; it’s called Project 2025.

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        8 months ago

        Hmm seems that’s from some think tank called heritage something, right? Not Trump really. In any case, project 2025 would sound good if it did not say “conservatives” everywhere. Like, a list of all the issues facing the country, a DB of experts, training for administrators, etc. The fact that they put conservatives every 4 words does make it sound a bit cultist.

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      He only had 4 years, and at the end caused an insurrection. Life got a lot tougher here after him, because he gave the green light for all the nasties to worm out of the woodwork. He increased tensions so badly, a second civil war is no longer ludicrous. That’s not even counting how much worse it got for women BEFORE Roe v Wade was overturned. We haven’t yet finished reaping what he sowed.

      I’m not sure the US could survive another 4 years.