It was a many months transition, and it’s finally done

Fun thing, you can actually make a backup of all* your messages, groups, contacts, etc. So before leaving you can have all of your data in case you need that one contact or something

The final red flag was as that allegedly Russian authorities were messing with people’s deleted messages. Not for the first time there are news that they could read, modify, delete, see location, and etc. Screw it, this is unsafe, I’m out.

Also, these days telegram is really at the state of a pile of garbage, bloated, buggy, and shady messenger.

  • Gooey0210@sh.itjust.worksOP
    637·
    2 years ago

    Comparing telegram to WhatsApp is something really 2015 😅

    Now we have many alternatives, and let’s just switch, fb and telegram both suck compared to signal, simplex, session, or even matrix (wait for the new matrix’ update where they add some new encryption stuff)

    • Synnr@sopuli.xyz
      11·
      2 years ago

      Session was at first a fork of Signal without usernames.

      Now by design it uses their own custom tor-like service (instead of just… using tor) and does not support forward secrecy or deniable authentication, so anyone who collects the messages in transit can either find a vulnerability in the encryption scheme, or spend enough GPU resources to crack it, and they have confirmation of who sent and received the message and what the contents of the message are. And is headquartered in Australia, which is 5EYES and much more against encryption than the US. Oh, and the server is closed-source.

      I wouldn’t touch it with a 12ft ladder.

      • LWD@lemm.ee
        2·
        2 years ago

        Between forking Signal to make their desktop and mobile clients, and forking Monero to make their cryptocurrency… I’m surprised they came up with Lokinet.

        Edit: I’m pretty Session doesn’t even use Lokinet. So much for the claimed resiliency from “hackers”

        • Synnr@sopuli.xyz
          1·
          2 years ago

          Session does use the Oxen network which is the renamed Lokinet, unless they made a change I’m wholly unaware of.

          • LWD@lemm.ee
            2·
            2 years ago

            I must have been thinking of their past implementations. Their FAQ says things were different:

            Proxy routing was an interim routing solution which Session used at launch while we worked to implement onion requests. When proxy routing was in use, instead of connecting directly to an Oxen Service Node to send or receive messages, Session clients connected to a service node which then connects to a second service node on behalf of the Session client… The proxy routing system has now been replaced by onion requests.

            It was even less clear to me because this is what it says in the app itself:

            Session hides your IP by bouncing your messages through several Service Nodes in Session’s decentralized network.

            Not “the Oxen network” but “Session’s network.”

            And then it has a graph of

            • You

            • Entry Node

            • Service Node

            • Service Node

            • Destination

            • Synnr@sopuli.xyz
              2·
              2 years ago

              You’re not wrong. Lokinet and Session are both products from the same parent company. Lokinet was renamed to the Oxen protocol, and they run all the servers AFAIK, so it would be like tor, if tor ran every guard, entry, and exit node. AKA worthless. So you’re spot on, it’s a joy to the intelligence community and after the Encrochat debacle and Session stopped using Signal’s encryption algorithms and code, I would suggest no one use it for anything sensitive.

    • Vilian@lemmy.ca
      10·
      2 years ago

      i use telegram, but i agree that signal and matrix is superior from both(i don’t about the others)