You can also self-host bitwarden.

But can it be solved by throwing less sensors at the problem? Cause that’s what he’s been doing. Removing sensors from the newer versions that were in the older ones.

I just make do with running both. Of course would prefer to have everything on Linux, though.

That’s the case for me, too.

What exactly is the utility of the above quote of yours then?

To show that the correlation is spurious at best.

Has it become even more successful after he’s mellowed out?

Yes, it has. Usage of Linux has been growing over the years.

it uses end-to-end encryption

At least they say they do, but we can’t really verify that.

My point is exactly that. It’s not obvious, and as such you can’t attribute the success of Linux to his behaviour. Like the OP said, there’s no logic in looking at something successful and picking a singular thing to be responsible.

How is that obvious? Especially because it’s become even more successful after he’s mellowed out?

The analogy is that the end result doesn’t justify the behaviour from the person in power. It’s apt.

Of course it is. A square is also a rectangle but it’s still an important distinction.

But did it work because of the style or in spite of it? No reason to believe it wouldn’t be even more successful if he had been less abrasive like he is now.

It’s not a comparison, it’s an analogy. Important distinction.

I had three cars and a motorcycle at one point, though now I’m down to one car and a bicycle. But whatever makes you feel superior, I guess. Fuck the people with legitimate ideas to improve life and the environment.

So, do we agree that saying that “if a service is free, you are the product” doesn’t apply to FOSS services?

Sure, but that’s exactly what people mean when they say FOSS service.

Regardless, that’s not the discussion we’re having. The point is that those services are free of charge, and you’re not the product. And that a big reason for that is that they are FOSS services.

No, they’re not mutually exclusive. These services are software.

The free in FOSS doesn’t mean free of charge. All those paid services are still FOSS.

Either you or I got wooshed, cause I thought that was a maths joke, not actually an answer.

Ok, so what do you call Bitwarden, matrix, openstreetmaps, Mastodon, or Lemmy?

It depends on those factors and a few others. You can also pay extra to ensure your electricity comes from all renewable sources. The so-called "Garantias de Origem" (guarantee of origin).