“three”

Wait, shouldn’t it be the other way around?

Check this pinned post in the current community: This is not a complaints forum, which among other things clearly states:

If you have problems with an entire instance: Just leave it.

Other communities, such as YPTB, would be a more appropriate forum for this. As it is, this post is merely drama farming.

Rimu != PieFed

You can tell because one is a person, the other is software.

And while we are at it, https://piefed.social/ is neither - it is an instance, like https://quokk.au/ is an instance, both of which run the PieFed software.

Your agenda is not supported by facts. There are definitely problems that need solving, though this post helps solve none of them.

If you want to help, stick with the facts, they will work better than emotional appeals, if the goal is truly to improve things on the Threadiverse/Fediverse.

The amount of disinformation here should not be nearly as shocking to people as it seems to be. e.g. the non-conditional title statement of this post, even if its text walks the situation back a bit, is now being called “de-escalation”? Or the GIANT letters calling for the immediate defederation of Lemmy’s most popular instance in this comment? These are the very epitome of escalation.

And as for AI moderation, see this comment, where the AI output went entirely unreviewed by any kind of intelligence, and iirc the moderation reason stated was also written entirely by AI? Every single time I have chased down the accusations to find the real story, I become more and more disappointed in certain Lemmy instances that are now expanding the influence of hexbear, Lemmygrad, and lemmy.ml.

If they want to cut themselves off from the rest of the Threadiverse by defederating not only Lemmy.world but also every single PieFed instance, regardless of the stance of the admin team (in one of the multiple calls for defederation, click on the username of the commentor and read the statement), then at this point I am no longer against that outcome. It will create an echo chamber for them, but they do not seem to be listening anyway, and increasingly I find myself not listening to their incel-based arguments anymore either (where they must be free to do whatever they please but everyone else owes them something, somehow).

Edit: even the title of this very post screams disinformation - like how is this “Shadowbanning Instances from Discoverability”, when instead it is plainly simply a banning? If it were a shadow-ban, then it would still appear to the end-user to not be a ban, but then to everyone else it would be handled differently. Instead, it is an even ban, always looking the same way to everyone. Calling it a “shadowban” is a fallacy that appeals to emotion, rather than explaining the situation logically. i.e. it is clickbait, presenting a false front in order to entice people to read it, but when the details become understood the term is seen to be the polar opposite of what it attempted to portray. This is not what I hoped to get out of the Threadiverse, personally. I came here to get away from the right-wing Reddit, not find another Reddit 2.0, moar tankie drama version.

Perhaps the best ones?

It does incur quite the cost though, if only in initial set-up time, so I can see where some people may have a desire to avoid it, for a time.

Even we quite often use Cloud flare. Those who resisted at first often changed their mind after getting hit with bot scraping DNS attacks. It’s not trivially easy to deploy alternatives.

What the pro-AI people always tend to argue back at comments like yours is that:

1. you used the wrong AI - it should be <insert preferred model here> - probably Claude at this point in time, for programming? i.e. the implication being that you are some old man who yells at clouds and does not know what they only learned themselves <6 months ago, as if that knowledge entirely invalidates your own lived experiences even in the last ~4 weeks.

2. you used the wrong parameters / queries. When applied to the equivalent of Google searches this seems a false claim to me because those used to be fairly brainless, whereas sometime soon Gemini is going to start charging $$$ in return for being able to find anything remotely helpful on the internet, but for now they would like it pretty please if you would help them train their model, before they turn around and sell it to you, and others (isn’t it glorious how you are allowed to help share in the work part, without proportionate access to the reward at the end?).

Tbf you probably did use the wrong queries for the programming questions. It seems to me to be like someone who actually lets a “self-driving car” drive by… itself? Like you are supposed to pay money for what is marketed one way but the reality after purchase is quite different, and if you e.g. run over little children then it’s not the fault of those who sold you a “self-driving car”, but rather (legally speaking) yourself who should not have allowed the car to drive by itself - how dare you not know better! (Despite being told precisely such with a nod and a wink)

The AI hype is real, and false, though despite that LLMs are quite a capable tool, if ignoring the hype and used under much more constrained circumstances than the hype would lead us to believe (despite the hype surrounding AI, rather than LLM technology itself, being the literal point of the OP though?).

I stumbled upon this randomly and enjoyed the read: https://www.structural-integrity.eu/is-there-a-need-for-ai-after-capitalism/.

Narrator: actually, no it was not.

e.g. it still spreads misinformation.

Okay I need to catch up with this new info, but at worst it seems irrelevant, and at best increases the stress on the admin team to constantly often receive actual irl death threats that people would like to murder them.

Luminous for instance (a) called MrKaplan a Zionist, and (b) said death to all such, and therefore © since by transitivity with A->B and B->C, and given both are true plus A is true, then we can infer that C is true as well, i.e. Luminous wishes death upon MrKaplan (among MANY others). It’s fairly clear? Even though buried in the modlog, and regardless of whether MrKaplan actually is what he has been called here or not.

Mr Kaplan’s response after that is on him, but it is worth noting that he received a real actual death threat levied in his direction by an admin of an instance. Instances are not “entitled” to be federated with anyone at all - it happens at the discretion of the recipient.

Just noticed nobody had corrected you on this. It was Deceptichum who placed a Swastika onto an icon of the FHF, not Luminous.

Oh, thank you.

Constant, really?

I would be willing to retract the word choice. Something along the lines of being problematic to the admins of LW to not want to have to deal with them?

Ironically the Swastika coming from a second person besides Luminous helps to illustrate that point, where it was not just a single person, even an admin. Of course, I am not an admin myself, so all I am really saying is that it seems believable to me that the LW is stressed out of their gourd by all the attacks from people saying that they want to kill them. It makes sense to me to want to block them, without having to to through each community one-by-one. Moreover, then subsequently having to constantly maintain that as new ones emerge.

Death threats have that effect upon people. Sometimes the recipients simply… get tired of receiving them?

seem to be taking criticism of Zionism personally

Because Luminous both called the admin team Zionists and also placed a Swastika onto an icon of the FHF. It’s like calling someone a “traitor” - it doesn’t have to be true, it can just be a pretext to murder them regardless.

Also, people keep ignoring the fact that it’s not merely the death threats levied against the admin team that are problematic, but rather the constant calls for murder shared from both AN and db0 users (as well as ML), although the call for the murder of specifically the FHF team does seem to be the straw that broke the camel’s back here, regarding AN.

It was not a mod, it was the full-on admin team. Hence defederation rather than mere blocking.

PieFed.zip and Lemmy.zip are large and great recommend instances famous for how few other instances are blocked, and Lemmy.today I believe blocks none at all.

Edit: your current instance has a medium-length blocklist. You can read about individual decisions in the https://sh.itjust.works/c/main community, e.g. Can we consider degenerating from maga.place and hilariouschaos.com? and Is there a way to block hexbear. Note that the decision to defederate from behaw.org is due to the latter defederating from sh.itjust.works, so to avoid confusion among users as to why posts can only be read one-way.

This seems a flawed understanding of the theory though, if the thinking is that in the entirety of the whole world, no instance will ever defederate with any other instance.

On the contrary, this is normal, expected, and healthy behavior. When one instance refuses to consider the needs of the wider community, then those offended by such have the right to cut it off - e.g. hexbear users troll everyone, their admins protect them, so the instance as a whole gets defederated as a result.

In the place of problem-solving technology, companies have jumped on successive bandwagons like NFTs, the metaverse, and large language models. What these all have in common is that they are not built to really solve a market problem. They are built to make VCs and companies rich.

Even if stating the seemingly obvious, this article is a good read.

Thank you for the link. It was very… instructive (and quite sad to see, unfortunately).

“No I meant does anyone want to say a kind word?”

“You should use Linux too.”

For some reason I now want to kill everyone that I see around me, is that a bad sign?