This is you saying you want this.

yes. does that say “we need age verification”? it says we need to acknowledge legitimate issues if we’re to have any hope at consensus.

age verification is not the answer, it’s just the only one being proffered… you want to make this go away? find a better answer to the problem and espouse that.

here’s a small one: no use of internet connected laptops for school work since that is widespread and directly undermines a parent’s ability to keep tabs on their kids.

the answer is not “you’re just a prude afraid of boobs, loser.” that’s how you drive people to the right wing, because at least those guys are saying “the internet is dangerous for kids.” and that’s how you end up in the funnel.

eta: sorry about the insult if you saw it. it had no place here

you need to re-read everything i wrote because you clearly did not understand it when i twice said that i don’t want id verification. you’re not arguing with me, you’re arguing with someone else in your head

i’m already keeping them off the wider internet. that’s not the point. the point is that even if i do that, society as a whole makes it very, very difficult.

i’m not saying anyone should give a website id. one of the major things i repeat is: “never give a website a face or an id”

but the idea that it’s just reactionary “omg my kids can’t see boobs” is flat out wrong. the internet is a dangerous place for everyone, but especially children. pretending it’s not is hiding your head in the sand. at the same time as it is incredibly dangerous, basically all the forces of modern society are trying to force our children on to it.

this is a battle i fight daily, and have been fighting for many years, and i’m tired of people trying to pretend it’s simple when it is anything but.

you are not going to win over people rightly concerned about their kids by telling them it’s actually simple when it isn’t. you’re going to drive them away.

you want to tackle this, you have to acknowledge reality, and that reality is that on the internet, your children are prey.

tbh, i’m more scared of the pedos that haunt roblox and every other platform for children rather them seeing boobs.

i don’t like age verification either, but that means my kids aren’t allowed to use the internet except in a very restricted fashion. meanwhile every single one of their peers is left to run wild, so they’re socially isolated as a result

don’t pretend internet anonymity is an unalloyed good. fuck, just look at the bot farms for a less rapey problem of enormous magnitude.

we should have learned our lesson after they did and done our damndest to create protocols immune to capture. there were excuses in 1989, there aren’t now

Regardless, the potential for a company to dominate the implementation of a specification is not a reason not to create said specification

yes it is

and they would never violate your trust and later force this onto you because the love their users.

the more apologetics for this shit i see, the less i trust it.

it’s incredible how many godfathers ai has. i’ve lost count

weird i never hear about the godmothers though. wonder why that is?

you don’t know me, my thinking, or my motivations, and yet have no problem accusing me of absolutism

irony ain’t dead yet, and projection ain’t just a river in egypt

the issue is the use, not the user, and who and what it supports, directly and indirectly. you’re just trotting out a word so you don’t have to think anymore. you like the tech and don’t want to feel bad about it

tough

i’m glad you have a word to hug and hold when you feel threatened by people who are different from you

the earth doesn’t care if you think this is a good use or linus is somehow worthy when the regular plums aren’t.

dario and his epstein wife sure do though. so keep going to bat for them

so the less you use it, the better? glad we can agree

is there a difference in the environmental destruction when used this way? no? these things have so many negative effects on the world in so many areas that making life more convenient for coddled computer touches doesn’t excuse literally any of it