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we can’t know how many also choose to escalate because of these outlets.

But we do know that in general, porn doesn’t elicit that kind of escalation into real life. If this particular category of porn did cause that, it’d literally be a total outlier.

Same with other media, too. Rape porn lovers aren’t statistically more likely to rape irl, violent video game lovers aren’t more likely to be violent irl, etc., compared to the general population.

So I think it’s pretty fair to hypothesize that, if anything, it would reduce the incidence of real-world offense. Just look at the massive negative correlation between the proliferation of porn (thanks to the Internet), and the overall incidence of rape.

Also, I’m familiar with one bit of evidence out of Japan that apparently showed that child molesters consume less porn than the average citizen, which I was definitely surprised to learn, but once you think about it in the context of the stuff I mentioned above, it actually makes perfect sense.

In all likelihood, fictional ‘simulations’ like LLMs will directly reduce the incidence of CSA, if anything. If that’s the case, I can’t oppose such things in good conscience–it’d be pretty narcissistic to put my personal disgust over even a single kid not getting bad touched.

Hell, I don’t even want to ban users guilty of piracy.

Yeah, if someone shoplifts from a store, the punishment/penalty should not involve confiscating the car they drove to the store, lol.

sacking hundreds of actually productive employees.

If they were “actually productive”, sacking them would hurt the bottom line, not help it.

You lot are constantly talking about how workers are uniformly short-changed on their labor by their employers, underpaid for it and therefore being a profit source for employers, but you never explain why any business would do layoffs like this if that was the case, lol. Do these people who got laid off make the company money or not?

70% of that $2.4 million should have been taxed

It’s literally post-tax income already, lol.

That is one horrendous logo, lol

It works in that show because the entire family are losers, and they all get mocked by all the others, regularly.

True equality, lol.

Stop trying to rationalize stealing things that don’t belong to you, it’s repugnant.

The irony is that you try to rationalize it as ‘I’m only hurting the Big Bad Soulless Corporation’, but the fact is that you’re not hurting it, you’re hurting the people who work there to survive, people who probably are much closer to being broke than you are. If shrinkage gets too high, a location isn’t just going to hang around not profiting, it’ll get closed.

Those people being out of a job could very well be a blessing in disguise.

I’d bet anything you don’t have the guts to say this horseshit to one of their faces.

Please, cut the crap. I’ve seen the subreddit and the Tumblr tags, I know you thieves aren’t broke, and aren’t stealing necessities. And you guys can’t even help but expose yourselves anyway, unable to resist encouraging the theft of even high-end luxury items.

The irony is that you try to rationalize it as ‘I’m only hurting the Big Bad Soulless Corporation’, but the fact is that you’re not hurting it, you’re hurting the people who work there to survive, people who probably are much closer to being broke than you are. If shrinkage gets too high, a location isn’t just going to hang around not profiting, it’ll get closed.

And then, of course, people like you will complain about the food desert that now exists in that area, completely unironically, because you’re just that far gone.

Please, everyone knows the vast majority of you thieves and those cheering them on aren’t even poor, you’re just immoral scumbags who feel entitled to the things you steal. I’ve seen the subreddit, I’ve seen the Tumblr tags. You’re not fooling me, trying to mix yourselves in with those stealing because they have no other way to survive.

But it is the thieves fault when shrinkage causes them to have no job at all. Prioritizing your selfish, greedy desire to steal over their well-being is all you’re doing, and it’s reprehensible.

Desperation to avoid getting a real, legal job, maybe.

Perhaps it’s safe to say they’re poor.

It is not. I’ve seen these scumbags’ subreddit, I’ve seen their Tumblr tags. They’re not poor, they’re just scumbag thieves.

An actual poor person stealing necessities because they have no other choice does NOT have this ridiculous entitled mindset.

You think you’re hurting the corporation, but you’re hurting its employees. If a location becomes unprofitable because of too much theft, it just closes, and now all those people are out of a job because of entitled thieves’ greed.

Also, the formula is locked up because people steal it to turn a profit fencing it, not to feed anyone who needs it out of the goodness of their heart.

If you can’t handle being contradicted in a public forum, public fora are not for you. I made my case very clearly and dryly, with citations, and you’re seething over the facts contradicting what you want to be true. That’s all there is to it.

I made zero attempts to evade any argument presented to me, at all, much less by attacking the one doing the arguing, which is what ad hominem actually is. On the other hand, you literally can’t write a single comment without “asshole” or a similar word in it, the type of language I used zero times in any of my exchanges. You’re projecting, hard.

Delete your account.

No. :)

It’s so pitiful how ideologues (“an adherent of an ideology, especially one who is uncompromising and dogmatic <-- fits you perfectly, considering how you react to facts that contradict you)” can’t manage anything other than variations of ‘you’re a bad person’ when they’re confronted with facts that contradict their precious narratives. Forbid anyone ever tell you that your short-sighted ego-stroking lust for instant gratification and convincing yourself of your moral superiority (another reason for the barrage of insults mentioned in the first sentence) may not actually be the best long-term move. No amount of evidence and data can shake an ideologue from their assumptions.

But yes, just keep pretending you know better than people whose life’s work is researching and understanding extremist movements, they’re all dumbasses and you’ve got the divine knowledge, right?

I pity you.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I don’t care if bigoted ideologues like me. Your whiny personal insults are meaningless to me. The fact remains that if my arguments were flawed, your replies would be hammering my arguments instead of lobbing your impotent personal attacks.

The funniest part is that people like you actually feel morally superior after an exchange like this.

I literally disagree with none of this, except for the part where you say my view ‘misses the point’, since the point you’re providing in contrast literally is my point, lol.

Nazism and extremism of all types SHOULD be challenged and resisted, emphatically, at every opportunity. But it is not the place of random citizens to manifest that challenge in the form of violence. Nor does the evidence show that doing that is effective in reducing/eradicating the incidence of said extremist ideology in the population. In fact, the evidence clearly shows it does exactly the opposite.

We have to have the resolve to do what actually works, even if it doesn’t give the same instant gratification as it does to slug someone in the face who is says and believes shitty things.

You seem awfully eager to defend nazis.

I’m not defending Nazis, I’m attacking hypocrisy, and a particular type of which that is known to HELP Nazis (and any other extremists of the same type) in the long term. Experts on extremist movements agree on this, and even former members of such groups say it’s true. I’ve detailed all of this in a previous comment of mine, look under the break/line.

Also you keep talking about “the left” as if you’re not a member

I’m not. Most of my positions are left-wing, but I have no interest in considering myself a “member” of any political collective, and it’s precisely because of bullshit like this. I can espouse the values I believe in without having to be on a ‘team’. And doing so insulates me from being associated with the stupid shit my would-be ‘team’ does. It becomes an especially prudent tactic as collectives grow more radicalized, while I don’t.

I also hate stereotyping and generalizing, so collectivism in general puts me off.

Wearing a nazi uniform or otherwise espousing their ideals is announcing a desire to commit crimes.

The proper response is still arrest, not vigilante violence from randoms.

Vigilantism by random citizens is appropriate in response to “yo i want to kill a whole lot of people” declarations.

Hard disagree. The evidence is clear–doing this is equivalent to prioritizing the dopamine rush that comes with feeling like you’re the hero beating up the villain, over the actual reduction of harmful ideologies. You feeling good is not more valuable than eliminating Nazism, sorry.

It’s not unprovoked.

Then neither is it when someone beats you up for advocating beating others up. You provoked them by saying you’re willing to attack them.

Look at the comment I linked. Read the account of the former white supremacist, especially. You are playing right into their hands. Stop being so gullible.

thoroughly savaged

Sticking fingers in ears and deciding I must be a Nazi, because you don’t like the facts, is only “savaged” in a deeply deluded mind.