I think it’s lyrics from nine inch nails

From what you said, you are giving facebook what they want. They have no reason to block you. You have interacted a lot with the website and for a long time. They have learned much from you and your interests. If your pictures are fake or not it’s probably irrelevant to them.

What I’ll do, interact with their marketplace, is also in their interest and help them, which makes me hate myself for doing it and I’ll limit to only things I absolutely can not find outside of facebook. And I will try to find what I need outside first.

Here in the united states of the south privacy laws are foreign concepts. But even if we had laws I wouldn’t trust it. What’s stopping them from making a backup of the data, deleting from the main server and saying “there, I did it”?

To me once the company gets your info, you lost it. But to still receive spam is a problem. I had the same issue with companies here. I would like to at least be removed from their spam list.

Thanks for that link, there seems to be a lot of useful stuff there! I can see teddit, which haven’t worked for a long time. But still interesting.

The less info they can collect on me, the less profitable I am and most likely to be blocked, I imagine. My objective and facebook’s objective are in direct conflict. Not giving them info and still interacting to people who use it is the challenge.

Yeah, after reading your post I searched and found a few. All looking super dodgy.

I’m sure they don’t care about people selling the account. However I get the account, as long as they can profit from me it’s all they would care. But I think it would go back to the initial reason they blocked me, because it doesn’t seem that I would be profitable.

So I’m not sure if going through one of those dodgy websites and buying that would not get the same result…

I am happy to pay for useful services to companies I trust, and facebook is possibly the last one on the list. Even if they told me they don’t track me I wouldn’t believe. Not they would be even allowed not to, being an american company…

Where?

I think there would be a good chance they would know I’m not the original owner, with all the changed behaviour, and then they would still block me.

But it’s something I didn’t think about… doesn’t seem like a good option, but an option still…

Oh… that’s bad. But I always imagined that that might do it. I just don’t know if I need them enough to go that far.

Unfortunately I think I know the answer and I’m not wanting to face it…

I wish there was something I could donate to help destroy facebook. I don’t want to give them 1cent, but I would pay a few thousand dollars if I thought I had a chance of removing its influence from my life.

Social websites are only worth the people using it. Here it’s only facebook unfortunately. There used to be gumtree which was great, but now it’s dead.

But so, do I need to use my real name? I imagine they have all sort of features to know if you are fake, and I don’t know what those rules are. I imagine it depends a lot on many things, like location, operating system, etc. I use Linux and Firefox, and just from that they probably know there’s a higher chance that I’m someone who hates facebook and might try to make a fake account.

I’ve done from maybe 3 different devices, so I don’t think that’s what fixes it.

They always let me make the account and use it. But on the next day, or even the same day, they block it.

Oh, but what are the proxy websites? That would already be a nice thing to know. I know I would have to log in on them, but I don’t know if facebook even allows a third party website to log people on.

So the phone is the difference that makes it work?

Did you use a fake name, do you have friends on it? If I go down that path I would want to make sure I have all ingredients for it to work.

Here the government requires full privacy breach for buying a sim (because, of course, the terrorists and stuff). That with the inevitable hack that happens from time to time on telcoms it’s just a matter of time of them spreading all the details the telcom have on me.

I think things will have to get worse for me to consider that option. But I am thinking about it. Still… there’s no guarantee they won’t block me since I won’t use my real name or have any “friends” on it. I think if your account will clearly not give them money, they will block it.

What a fu234ing fu#$ cun@# ret!@# pieces of !#@ That pisses me of so much! The nerve! It happened to me too. A shitty website I never wanted to use and they behave as if they are the most important and necessary government agency.

Which… because of people’s stupidity, they really are now… I don’t hate them as much as I hate the people that gave them this power.

Although i use android i really, really don’t want Google stuff on my pc. I use android because it’s the only viable choice on mobile. But on pc I’ll avoid chromium as much a i can. And having installed many roms the hard way before i saw no reason to make an exception.

Plus i don’t like the browser doing something like that where i don’t know what it’s doing. If it was on firefox maybe i would trust it more, but even then…

I use my phone a lot lot. It’s a terrible addiction. But yeah, I’m not the usual user and my needs are different.

But I disagree with “spending twice the amount of time”. I’ve never seen that except on evil stuff that just handicaps the website on mobile for no reason other than “I’ll force you to use my app through pain”, when the desktop site is as good or even better than the app. And if it’s one of those companies, to me it’s a red flag. It’s not a service I’m using, it’s a company trying to abuse me as far as they can and I’ll be dumb if I continue on that abusive relationship and not break up.

But ending an abusive relationship is a personal choice. But to me they are inflicting that pain on them selves.

Oh, a good example is reddit. The mobile website experience is painful for no reason other than to force me to use their shitty app to steal more from me.

And what do you know? That was a red flag and that is a company I should have tried my best to avoid for that reason and many others. And now here I am on Lemmy, happier, and not forced a shitty app down my throat.

Ah, I didn’t do it that way… I think. I can’t remember. I certainly remember not wanting to because I don’t trust that way. Also I use firefox and I doubted it would work. I don’t know.

You are not going to like the answer, but… I just don’t do banking on a phone. I never did. Never trusted something that important on a device I’m carry around all the time. I do it on the desktop, which has an operating system I trust (Linux), that can’t get on anyone else’s hand.

I’m sorry. I wish I could give a solution. This has never been a problem to me but I understand it’s a massive thing for a lot of people.

On a more complicated option, the answer is: it depends. If you have a pixel with grapheneOS and you relocked the phone, I think a lot of bank apps will work. Or maybe a different bank doesn’t require that, or allows you to do it on the browser. I usually ask the bank before signing in if they will require me to use an app. If they do, I don’t chose them.

The reasons to require the user to use the app are almost always evil, anti-user, and shows it’s an organization that will fuck you up down the line, so it’s a good filter for me. A red flag.

But yeah, sorry. I’m just the wrong person to ask. Maybe someone else who looked into the subject can suggest something. I never even bothered finding a solution because I never saw a problem.

I agree. It’s just that you said it’s easy.

Maybe you were referring to unlocking the phone, which is really easy on stock android if you know how.

The day we don’t have the choice anymore is the day i stop using android. Or smart phones at all if the alternative is apple.

One thing i don’t usually see people mentioning is that personal data is money. Money is power. Do you want to give that company more power?

I absolutely do not want to make apple more powerful. With Android i can at least choose a company i dislike less, or even like, and give the power to then. Then i can even remove Google from the phone and not give them power. It may not be easy but it’s in the license of Android, while not so with Apple.

And that applies to every thing related to privacy to me. Do i want to make this company powerful? No? Is there an alternative? Then I’ll try that if i can.

If it’s too difficult to find an alternative i try to live with it. It depends on how much i hate the company and how hard is it to change.

My own privacy, funny enough, is not really that important to me.

Just like Ulrich thinking installing graphene being easy is just his experience, that is just your experience. I don’t have a single app that needs google play and that’s one thing i find it easy.

Whatever would need it i just use their website. Sure they try a lot to annoy you into using their useless app but it’s doable and becomes an incentive to find a better service.

As a GrapheneOS user, and someone who hates apple and would rather not have a phone than bend to apple, and while i agree with most of what you said, i would not expect the majority of the users to be able to install graphene. I don’t personally know anyone i would expect to be able to do by themselves. It’s easy for you. It wasn’t super easy for me, it would be difficult for most people.