The Linux community had never once been able to grasp the concept of someone using Linux and not giving a single flying fuck about Linux.

People are here cause they hate windows, not cause they like Linux. Describes a LOT of gamers that are coming over right now.

Yet people keep pointing them at distros that ARNT something like cachy.

Valve, targets a arch based kde distro. THAT is what you should be giving gamers. That’s going to have the least issues, the best support, is what most gaming communities make their tools, tutorials and guides around.

Do not give them gnome, stop suggesting mint or pop os. Great distros, but for people that want to use Linux. Not gamers wanting to game.

Gaming basically mandates that you are on very up to date systems if you want properly supported anything. It’s like that in windows it’s no different on Linux. You can be on a out of date system and have things works but it only creates more and more possible problems.

The fact I see people in this thread talking about proton 9 beta when 10 is out SCREAMS that the problem is almost entirely because they are on a distro that’s using a older kernel and out of date packages.

To be fair people like to use distros that arnt great choices for gaming. Any distro can game, but some are far better choices then others, doubly so if you are new to Linux.

Look at Debian, Ubuntu or anything else based off them. Frequently behind, poor gamer community support, and frequently pushes new users towards gnome.

All things that for normal day to day don’t matter one bit. But for a gamer can make things absolutely fucking awful. Creating endless edge cases.

Fedora and things based on it arnt much better. With poor gamer community support, less then stellar documentation and and frequently does some real weird shit ahead of the curve that’s very unique to fedora. Making it frequently break things related to gaming.

Bazzite is uniquely good tho for this use case, tho cachy does the same thing with less issues.

Opensuse is slightly better Tho still has some lacking gaming community support. But generally isn’t something new users are likely to use so less of a worry in a conversation about nontechnical gamers.

Which then brings you to arch which if this was 5 years ago would be a huge problem.

But with valve targeting arch specifically, most arch distros pushing users to kde, which valve targets, most gaming communities directly supporting software on the aur and arch because valve targets arch.

And the rise of stable easy to use options like endeavour, and the gaming focused cachy you have basically have one option that’s a perfect base for new users to get a os that will be well supported for their use case, and the other that’s for all functional purposes a literal steamOS clone for gamers.

So like normal you basically have a case, where the Linux community is like stuck 5 years in the past with general wisdom and telling new users to use distros that ARNT suited for their use case. Then there’s endless edge cases cropping up of people having problems and things being overly complicated.

Instead of just telling people to install a distro option that comes with everything preinstalled, preconfigured and targeted directly by the companies and developers that they specifically want to use software from.

Again anything can work, but we arnt talking about Linux users using Linux. We are talking about gamers using Linux. They don’t give a fuck about anything open source related, they don’t care one bit about the differences between distros.

They just want to game and are fed up with windows. They aren’t coming here cause they like Linux. They are coming here because they hate windows.

And that’s something that the Linux community seems to struggle with massively as a concept. Give them the thing that does what they want, they don’t care if it contains proprietary nonsense or not.

Just give them something that comes preinstalled with or is one click to install what they want.

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Cachy is just endeavour but with like 20 hours + of all the extra stuff you do after an install already done if you are only focused on gaming.

Endeavour is fantastic but it’s a general purpose project. Cachy IS first and foremost gamer/performance focused.

So if you love endeavour but want to only game then cachy saves endless time and effort and for new users or gamers wanting to be lazy it’s just a no brainer to go cachy

There’s a reason it’s not up there and cachy is, bazzite is in basically just a worse version of what cachy is setting out to do.

It has a dedicated steam deck ISO, is the most well put together preset up arch distro there is for gamers. Period, there are no real good faith arguments here. It’s like if someone took an endevour install and spent over 50 hours doing nothing but making every possiable part of it as easy as possible for gamers to just play games.

Its what Bazzite is functionally a knock off of. Anyone whos using Bazzite is litterally using an objectively worse option then cachy is their first and only goal is gaming. Which is bazzites entire gimmick basically.

For gaming purposes endevour is a terrible choice when cachy is a thing. Not that endevour is bad, its just cachy just pre does literally everything you would have to do AFTER an endevour install. Along with they have a ISO that is for the steamdeck.

Arch is also just objectively better then every other option again if your goal is first and foremost gaming. Because it has by far and away the best support for new hardware and nearly every third party community tool for every game ever is on the AUR and every gaming community with modders ONLY support arch basically because of it.

Again not because other options are bad, but this is teh steam report. Its gamers. So the best option FOR gaming is going to be on top. Thats arch, steamOS is arch, cachy is arch, and gamers with good hardware will graviate to arch because its the only way to have a painless and easy first time install for new hardware or to use teh community tools they got use to on windows.

Debian/Ubuntu and the others in that family all tend to have problems for gamers, fedora is a nightmare for new users. So they almost always end up just on cachy, or endevour/arch. Mostly cachy tho, as its canabalized most of manjaros gamers as the easy to install preset up distro.

Reminds me of a ransomware problem that a place I worked at had. After weeks of computers getting reinfected over and over. It was figured out it was one “techy guy” with Linux on his work laptop. He kept sharing infected files.

So since he kept infecting the windows PCs on the network. It got Linux and macs banned at work.

Everyone had to have windows PCs moving forward.

Lot of Linux and Mac folk don’t realize how big of a vulnerability they can be even if they themselves aren’t affected.

Most wall outlets if they are a frequent use location only last a a handful of years before they start to get loose and maybe a decade before shit just doesn’t hold at all.

A plug that you plug something into once or twice ever and leave it in can basically last forever.

You forgot the arch/Gentoo phase before Debian.

Gnome at this point is just as bad as Microsoft and Apple.

It’s there way, or so help them God they WILL make you do it their way.

Uhh… Unless it’s 1993 again install drivers on windows is automatic in 99% of cases and catching a virus from install drivers would honestly be a feat of Herculean impressiveness.

So that would be easier honestly.

Like the only time it’s easier to install a driver compared to windows is if it comes preinstalled with the kernel/os.

It’s one of the few things windows does really REALLY well.

The problem with drivers on windows nowadays is uninstalling them cleanly is near impossible. Damn well near impossible. But most people rarely need to uninstall a driver.

CachyOS is just steam OS if you set steam to launch in big picture mode at boot.

Everything’s preinstalled same scheduler arch based and they even have a iso designed for handhelds.

Iv never understood why the fedora solutions got so popular when people want a steamOS distro. Like we have a basically 1:1 clone and everyone just goes naw choose a fedora option and then complains it’s not close enough.

ITS BAFFLING

There’s still hydraulic fluids and transmission oil in EVs but by the time you need to change that most people are long out of warranty and likely already onto their next car.

So strictly speaking there is oil and fluids that need replacing but like its such a long life span.

The Regen in my Kona will stop me even on the steepest hill if I let auto do its thing. Shits wild.

Has not changed one bit. If anything the onboarding experience has gotten worse.

Lemmy isnt new user hostile so to speak but it sure doesn’t try not to be.

And God, the number of times iv had to explain that frediverse doesn’t have anything to do with the feds is insane.

Lemmy has some of the worse terminology.

There is an increasing difficulty to even find out that join-lemmy.org exists.

To be fair join-lemmy.org also is a rather awful bit of user onboarding. It’s very much a programmer design. Which is something all of Lemmy suffers from.

There’s fine line between a good design, and over simplification. But Lemmy is pretty firmly a mile away playing in the “it works” pool.

No one deserves to be called stupid just because they struggle with an objectively poor onboarding process and gate keeping.

I am perfectly able to navigate Lemmy’s interface and I still think it’s a pile of Garbage. It suffers from the same problem most projects suffer from. Designed by a programmer not a UX designer.

Also I would rather enjoy if Lemmy didn’t just become an echo chamber of extremism in the opposite direction of reddit. Cause at this rate Lemmy is already becoming a cess pit of echo chambers and extreme levels of gate keeping.

For that you need a board spectrum of people. Including those you seem “stupid”.

So fuck off with your gate keeping. Be helpful and set a good example.

man everytime i see hyperland it looks so cool then i try it, and feels so insanely unuseable.

I just end up doing everything via command prompt instead :/

I barely see people recommend mint anymore. It like every other Ubuntu family distro keeps having too many issues and poor gaming support compared to the steamOS styled distros.

Everyone is going to bazzite or cachyOS as the new “noob” distros cause they just work and play steam games and have steam deck isos.