TL;DR: Mozilla is killing localization on Support Mozilla, overwriting articles written by humans with machine generated translations. Although Mozilla knows that their AI doesn’t localize or adhere to style guides, Mozilla is going live with it anyway. I thank locale leaders and localizers for their tireless efforts. Locale leaders seem to be obviated by AI, and Mozilla has nothing to say about it.
Anytime I see an anti-mozilla article, it’s abundantly clear that it’s an astroturfing campaign to make Firefox look bad. You NEVER see these articles about chrome, brave, opera, etc which are all much much worse.
Eh, I’m not about to stop using Firefox, but the complaint is valid. They nuked a bunch of work from volunteers without notice in favor of shitty auto translate.
The way they are forcing AI on everyone and into every aspect of their browser especially when a large part of the people who use Firefox hates that shit is going to end Firefox.
The reason you don’t hear it about all those other browsers is because people have always known they don’t give a fuck what the end user wants.
Firefox used to be different. But all good things deteriorate over time. Watching it happen in real time to a browser we all use and used to love is why you see it so much posted especially in places with like minded individuals like Lemmy.
There’s AI in Firefox? I’m running it as new as I can in Arch and have never seen a hint of it.
Yeah, I am astroturfing. It can’t be that I actually believed Mozilla when they said that localizers were heroic.
Almost all Microsoft KB articles are machine translated.
Every time I open a reddit article from a search it attempts to auto-translate which immediately looks and reads very inhuman.What an odd comparison. What differentiates Mozilla from others is their close relationship with their community. Just read their manifest and you will see Immediately why they are getting flag for humiliating their own supporters.
If I had to post an article here for each time Chrome did something that worked against privacy, I would just repost Ggle’s changelogs. And they would not change.
If we criticise Mozilla harshly enough, there’s a chance slightly higher than an snowball’s chance in hell to make them change.
What dumb reasoning. Posting anti Mozilla articles only serves to push all of Firefox users to other even less used browsers. See the whole terms of service thing where someone posted an article just like this that was factually incorrect. Many users didn’t bother to research it and stopped using Firefox. Ff didn’t grow, it shrunk and with it every single downstream browser also will suffer because they’re forked from FF
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Yes, and I’m guessing what you wrote about was completely incorrect. Browsers must transfer the data, so any terms of service must cover those cases. Because people don’t understand stuff like this, posts exactly like yours get posted, people believe them, and then misinformation spreads like wildfire.
Then people like me are still dealing with the misinformation months later because others didn’t take five minutes to think through what they were posting before they did so.
I’m honestly incredibly sick of it, especially with Mozilla posts because it’s been misinformation numerous, numerous times. At this point if a post about Mozilla isn’t misinformation then I’m surprised.
Calling objections to what some unelected jerks in the foundation (which is a supposedly public organization) are doing is not “anti-Mozilla”. And I would first suspect of astroturfing everyone pretending it is.
Raising voices and putting pressure about things spoiling something is caring about it. And yes, people who care try to make real effect and not just safely complain to be ignored.
Mozilla honestly has been becoming worse and worse since Australis.
Its not astroturfing, it’s that people have expectations of them beyond just being a browser that let’s you access the web.
Frankly its not that great of a browser (its serviceable. And I use it, or a derivative, pretty much exclusively); generally the reason you use it is because you care about abstract things like not supporting the chromium monopoly, or wanting to pick the project managed with the most care for how it will impact actual humans
And Mozilla has been making kinda crummy choices with respects to those abstract values more and more regularly it feels like 😅
Like I really wanna love and support Mozilla. I’m using their browser cause I think its the best choice by the metrics that are important to me. And more and more I just feel kinda exhausted and kinda frustrated with them 😅
Dear Rust developer,
Not every critique of a technology you like is “FUD”. In fact, crypto-bros and AI-bros also made the term “FUD” meaningless.
This is bullshit. Brave literally have a webpage mentioning their shit. You are trying to gaslight us all.
Lol, bashing that shitty “org” is a civic duty. Fuck Mozilla.
They like that the money goes to activism on African countries instead of the fcking browser. Just until one year ago they started to work again on features.
I left that sinking ship in 2021. Just watching it sink slowly from the river’s edge.
Why the fuck is lemmy so chuck full of anti Fiirefox and anti Mozilla propaganda?
I even see comments about Firefox needing to be open source again!?!?
It FUCKING IS open source, anybody can fork it if they want to, the only thing they can’t do is use the Firefox logo and name.You are all a bunch of idiots!! (everybody who upvoted this trash blog)
Brave’s marketing team has been running anti firefox campaigns for years now. That’s why now we have so many retards like OP throwing a big boy tantrum every time firefox does something. Maybe mozilla should add some kind of shitcoin to firefox just to make all these wankers happy.
Your point could have been made without using an ableist slur.
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Why? They have free (as in free beer) volunteers. AI could do translation for pages nobody had time to translate yet but taking over the localization seems unnecessary.
Edit: Okay it is kinda like that, the bot automatically translates everything but volunteers can still contribute and provide better localization. It just seems to not work that well, overwriting things it should not when the actual work is just translating one additional sentence. Or simply not being that great at localization. In general AI translation is not a terrible idea but this seems clearly half baked and Mozilla has stopped responding to the complaints which isn’t helping either.
While what happened in Japan sucks and calls for an apology by Mozilla towards the team, the general idea of machine translation on demand is one of the few working examples of machine learning. I’d recommend professional systems instead of google translate, though.
It is going to happen to all locales, not just Japan. The Japan locale leader was just a canary in the coalmine.
I wouldn’t mind donating to have Firefox off of Mozilla’s hands and back into the FOSS sphere where it belongs. Heck i’d even pay a subscription.
It’s just going to line the pockets of executives.
They have the money. They choose not to spend it.
Take a look at servo (https://servo.org/). Not anywhere close to being a robust browser but still something to be excited about.
i wish vivaldi would switch to gecko tbh (preferably pre quantum gecko)
No matter what you think of Eich. The Eich era of Firefox/Mozilla was their golden years. I miss them.
Eich was a failure. He sat on e10s for years while Chrome continued gaining marketshare. The path to monetization is something he says he wanted to do at Mozilla but did at Brave instead.
At Brave, he started with a Gecko offshoot but couldn’t make it work and retreated to Chromium.
That’s what you get with dozens of new executives and crazy pay packages for the top brass huh?
I’m losing hope. I might just give in to chromium honestly.
Looking at the situation and deciding that prefering Chrome would be better is exactly the bot position to take.
Mozilla is turning into the same thing every other big corporations are, including Google. Inflated executive numbers and pay, cutting what made then unique (think of all the FOSS stuff they’ve killed along the way)…
I’m not jumping to Vivaldi or whatever just yet, but ugh… Their latest push for AI is driving me very close…
Still doesn’t make sense. One company is turning to AI so that drives you to other companies that already have AI and are precedentally worse?
I’m not saying Mozilla is a saint. The sooner we can replace the executive branch, the better. But the even better comparative is if somehow we don’t even need to get to that point in the first place, and not supporting Mozilla at the past edge of where they’re at is defo not gonna lead to that.
No, do not give into Chromium. Letting Google dominate web rendering standards is a bigger problem.
I agree, and I honestly don’t want to go chromium… But Mozilla is making it harder and harder to even want to use their product.
I’m not getting off Firefox/Floorp yet, but Mozilla needs to stop messing this up so royally at every turn…
In all objectivity, this seems like the most rational thing to do.
Now that you can have good translation by AI, why would anyone want to waste their time on localization?
Now that you can have good translation by AI,
I see the bots are commenting on lemmy.
