• Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca
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      11 months ago

      Could you imagine having to pay apple a monthly fee just because you use iOS on their phone?

      Or pay Google every month to use android?

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        11 months ago

        Except that you can keep upgrading windows or just install linux and be up to date with the security patches for like 10+ years, your phone runs out of support in like 5-6 years in the best case and then good luck using these banking apps securely.

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      11 months ago

      It makes some sense for business & enterprise stuff, but not for household/consumer computers & devices. That's just rent-seeking and forced obsolescence. There is no good reason a home computer from the past fifteen years should have security patches withheld because the manufacturers want people to throw them away and buy and brand new ones.

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        I kind of get it, but I feel like even in a b2b context you shouldn't be allowed to charge a subscription for something as low level as the OS.

        Now if Microsoft wants to offer paid support subscriptions for business customers (they might already do, I didn't look) that I would be fine with.

        Of course, businesses would just pivot in the other direction and speed up the release cycle to every year or two, making smaller and smaller improvements. No system will be perfect. I just hope we get to a better solution than "constant vigilance" eventually, whatever it looks like.

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      11 months ago

      Paying for a service or product is never going to be illegal. It being an inferior product that the public is made aware of is the only way this shit is gonna change if ever.

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      11 months ago

      Remember when Windows 10 were advertised as the final and only Windows? Pepperidge farm remembers…

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        11 months ago

        They didn’t. It’s kinda weird how many people “remember” advertisements that never existed. It was literally one Microsoft employee saying things, in an unofficial capacity.

        Edit: If anyone can show me an advert that claims this, I’ll happily eat my crow.

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    11 months ago

    If Win11 didn't fucking go "naw bro you don't have a LoJack on your motherboard so no install" I'd be like whatever but since it does they need to keep supporting it for at least a decade or remove the Trusted chip requirement. I know you can bypass it, but nobody in business is gonna do that and neither is Grandma.

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    11 months ago

    They really should. Windows 11 has the bullshit "requirement" of needing SecureBoot so it can't work on BIOS motherboards, only UEFI ones. This is different than saying you no longer support 32 bit CPUs. There's no reason to require fucking SecureBoot. Seriously. It's like someone saying they won't sell you a TV if your house doesn't have a lock in the door and then advertising their TV as secure because of that.

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      11 months ago

      Your entire statement here stems from not knowing what you’re talking about. That’s OK. I’ll provide some insight.

      Secure Boot is a security feature of UEFI that only allows trusted, cryptographically signed operating systems to boot. The nature of this prevents rootkits. Software that runs before the OS and injects itself. BIOS has many hard limitations and disadvantages over the modern standard that is UEFI. Your comparison going from 32 to 64 bit architecture is quite fitting. It’s not that different. There are many hard limitations and disadvantages to 32 bit. It’s unfit for today’s standards due to lack of features and security. All aspects of technology have to move forward.

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        Yes, but you could still buy a new motherboard without UEFI support a year ago, and there are still some units in stock online.

        It’s way, way too early to drop support of an OS that is the latest version that can be run on hardware that current.

        People who spent 3 grand building a computer in 2021 should be able to have OS support for at least a decade. They can’t upgrade their OS, so the latest OS they could purchase should be maintained longer.

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    11 months ago

    or, you know, just switch to linux. several distros are basically just as usable out of box as anything microsoft has released.

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      11 months ago

      I’ve tried and gaming is a lot better than it was, but I still prefer Windows in that department though I do stick with SteamOS for the Steam Deck and haven’t bothered running Windows on it.

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        i run dual-boot on my PC, these days i’m only switching over to windows for gaming since nvidia GPUs don’t get a lot of support on the linux side nvidia doesn’t go out of there way to support linux as much as AMD does

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          What kind of support are you missing? I run Linux exclusively with an Nvidia card and see regular driver updates (not as frequently as the kernel, for example, but still).

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            11 months ago

            i didn’t phrase it too well; what i meant was that nvidia doesn’t support linux as much as AMD seems to.

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        11 months ago

        yes, but the Enterprise level license usually lasts longer than the individual license does. Enterprise level you're basically stuck in that ecosystem, you've got tools written for it. I remember when IE6 was the latest hotness and then everyone struggled to get away from it for years and years but integral revenue generating tools relied on it.