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Countries are growing uneasy about their dependence on U.S. technology firms.
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The US held a unique privilege of being the world’s tech leader, their IT buddy.
Now that we’ve violated everyone’s trust, we will likely never get that position back.
As they say: it takes decades to grow a forest, but only one match to burn it down.
There are those who learn from the past mistakes of themselves and others…
and there are those who don’t…
I quote from the good book of YG:
Tbf USA weren’t having their own Hitler until now. Give em a chance
Ding ding ding
And that IS a good thing. It’s great that it happened, I just wish it had happened 2 decades ago and before IT companies yeeted the fworld off a cliff into hell
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But everything was rolling, pretty goddamn great until…
I beg to disagree there. Each year Big Tech has become more and more aggressive in taking control from us, the consumer. Microsoft with the requirements of TPM in order to install windows 11. Google with they’re delaying open source releases of android, preventing apps from being installed unless it’s non-cfw. All tech companies shoveling AI everywhere. John Deere with their vendor lock-in hardware.
This needed to stop and these companies need to be reminded that “the consumer owns the hardware and that includes functional software (that does not change without the users consent)”.
Unfortunately, the U.S. Government failed it’s people in defending consumer rights and tbh, the EU hasn’t really done a stellar job either. However, this is certainly the" kick in pants" the EU needs (hopefully) to start to create competition against U. S. Big Tech… and the EU certainly understands that it needs to protect these small EU start-ups as they try to find their footing.
So, I hope this results in the EU creating laws to “level the playing field”. Which, I hope, actually spurs innovate and Open Standards (something Big Tech has been working hard on suppressing), which will be good for all of us (regardless, if you’re in the EU, U.S., and beyond).
You’ll notice there is a lot of “hope” in these sentences. I am skeptical, but I can see how this could be “a good thing”.
For decades there has been tension between European data protection principles and US principles that corporations should be able to monetize your data and the US government should be able to access everything. Our dependence on US tech companies had made our position weak. We should have subsidised European cloud infrastructure a long time ago.
Especially the last few years it’s been terrible how many companies and organisations have surrendered to US Big Tech. Even Dutch banks have abandoned their own excellent contactless payment system to surrender to Apple Pay and Google Wallet.
I mean, privacy had been getting worse for decades before Trump got in office. Mainstream tech has been on a steady decline for years, if not longer, and the privacy invasions being baked into most software have always been horrifying.
Was it all functional? Yeah. Were there a lot of horrifying things under the hood? Also yeah.
That’s alarmism.
The US held a unique privilege of being the world’s cloud host, but that’s thankfully only a decade or so of bullshit.
And it’s good when trust gets broken in things where trust is wrong.
And sorry, I still see most big things in tech centered around USA. That won’t go away until some jurisdiction becomes safer. Perhaps Brazil stands a chance eventually, LOL.
This is exactly the type of thing I’m talking about
You say “we violated”, but its literally one person called Trump.
I think once he is out of office, the western world can work together again. Its just so much to gain from that. The mentality of Trump is from Russia or North Korea.
All his decisions can be reversed by the next president.
All his decisions can be reversed by the next president.
And then reversed by the next next president. Do you think this kind of trust violation blows over just like that?
The orange Cheeto threatened to annex a fucking European country. And nobody in the US told him otherwise. The Democrats seem to be too busy eating popcorn and waiting for elections.
American companies have shown that they will happily bend the knee and lick the boots of fascist dictators for money. No one should trust them ever again.
The loss of soft power can’t be reversed easily and especially not in the next presidency. Why would any sane country think this is a one off for us? Next election we might elect someone crazier for all they know.
one person, along with all the people who voted for him, all the people who got those voters to vote for him, all the people who helped him
Romania knew how to deal with a fascist candidate, the USA didnt
2/3 of the voting population didn’t vote against him, btw
doesn’t really seem like “literally one person”
The US has worked to keep the upper hand w.r.t. tech, espionage, backdoors, copyright acts and trade agreements for decades. We never saw eye to eye (he), this didn’t start with him.
There’s a bit of a problem with that: every single thing Trump has promised has turned out to be a lie. A very obvious lie that has costed this entire country more than we could possibly imagine.
So… How do you square that with what Trump promised before now?
I’m playing my part… Undoing a large part of a SaaS platform I’ve been building, to detangle it from AWS and reimplement for Scaleway/UpCloud. This is a significant practical setback for me, but I can no longer live with myself giving dollars to both Bezos AND a fascist regime every month. Not to mention the direct risk of the US fucking with my business down the track for any old batshit reason. Account closed.
Yeah also did that for my recent site using StaticBuilder and Codeberg. Took longer but well worth supporting smaller businesses.
Btw, if people are passionate about this topic. There is a community and website on !purchasewithpurpose@lemmy.world .
It starts somewhere, and it’s people leaving one by one. Good onya putting your money where your mouth is.
UpCloud is nice but ever since I started using UpDog I don’t think I can go back.
Unfortunately the DevOps world has largely left Ligma based services behind. Good luck finding someone with under 15 years in the industry familiar with it.
Obviously because once that country collapses or becomes a pariah state and starts fooling with the data for nefarious purposes, all goes almost anything the rest of the world relies on, including website hosting services. So, yeah, decentralization is necessary.
If most US websites are garbage this can’t happen soon enough. You can’t even trust basic search anymore thanks to AI bs. People complain about nobody reading articles when they are ad-filled crap usually written by AI, I’d rather spend my time playing video games.
Silicon Valley people who wanted Trump are so fucking stupid its absurd.
Anyone who voted for trump is so fucking stupid it’s absurd.
I’m selfhosting most of my stuff now and did closed 500 accounts, still 960 to review. It take times but I always while closing enter a comment like “lost confidence in USA for the next 50 years thanks to Trump” BTW most services don’t let you delete your account, in this case I empty all my personal data, upload blank images for profile, anonymize field, move email to temp mailbox and delete my password.
I did some architecture and implementation to Azure for a big client, now moved to pure AKS with only OSS software, nest step for them is to quit US cloud, a lot easier if you use pure kubernetes.
I think it is good that we reduce our reliance on US stacks, but not at the cost of using Chinese softwares.
Deleting Reddit, instagram, facebook was really the easiest and most satisfying of all.
I plan to organize meetup on sovereignty, privacy and self hosting soon too 😇
closed 500 accounts, still 960 to review
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How??
1400 fucking accounts! My mind cannot comprehend that number.
My question is how does someone even know the number of accounts they have lmao
Like, over the past 2+ decades I’ve been using the Internet, I can’t even give an estimate of how many accounts I have.
Gotta have privacy for his bot farm
it is easy to have 1500+ passwords, I’m online since 1996 :-) and use a password manager like keepass, some sites died, others are still online, i have multiple mailbox, twitter, facebook. it goes up really fast!
not counting also all SSO with google, apple, and now my own pocketid selfhosted domain :-)
I will have to remove also those 50+ google authentificator TOTP and replace them with passkeys…
BTW, it is recommended to use single password per service sinces more than 20 years now, so without a password manager it is impossible to create new accounts. i started in firefox, then chrome password manager, then keepassX …
How does one reach even more than 20 accounts?
I have over 200 logins overall, but most of them are to forums that have been dead for a decade.
The internet used to be quite a different place back in the day, people had separated communities and everything wasn’t just on a handful of massive platforms.
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I’d always get paranoid that they’d revert the changing your details like reddit did when they undeleted mass-deleted comments before.
Rightly so, US tech is a dumpster fire with 24/7 surveillance.
More worried the US is spying on me than China at this point.
That’s rational. [not sarcasm]
As a QA, I raised the very real risk that should tensions with America escalate, they could effectively cut us off and our business would be kaputt.
What happens if AWS goes down? We use Google. What happens if both go down (or cut us off)? We’re fucked.
The answer to me raising the risk was a, “Haha, yeah, true, we’d be in big trouble…” but there’s no actual appetite to do anything about it. We’re so tied up in AWS that I can’t imagine there ever will be.
That’s the thing, we’re all so tightly involved in those few platforms it’s near impossible to correct the situation in the short term.
In our company we’re also documenting the risks related to US services and it’s pretty bleak. And even if we magically untangled ourselves from all that, we’d still be screwed when all the suppliers, the local infrastructure and literally everything is still on top of those. Honestly I’m not even sure if we’d get through the doors or have electricity in the whole cities we operate in if all went out at once.
The best we can do in short term is to not make it worse and choose wiser with new projects, migrate everything that can be done cheaply and hope for the best until we can get everything lifted off US governed services. Even with the risk recognised, it still doesn’t warrant that magnitude of investment. So we at least plan and document everything as well as we can.
You’d think the few global AWS and Cloudflare outages would have worked as a warning, but most people just went from “nah it couldn’t ever happen” to “well, it did happen, but surely it wouldn’t ever last all too long”.
I feel you dude
I was reading an opinion piece about this sort of thing earlier today, “Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam’s clouds and go EU-native”. It opens by saying:
I’m an eighth-generation American, and let me tell you, I wouldn’t trust my data, secrets, or services to a US company these days for love or money.
Ramp it up!
The worst crime you can commit under capitalism is not participating, not buying, not renting, etc. These tech companies are built on debt that is serviced by profits.
Moving the needle down and impacting their income by even 5% will have a huge impact on a business’s bottom line and in turn a CEO’s income, bonuses and stock options etc.
If you want to make Trump and his regime change then you have to hit the only people he will listen to… his fellow oligarchs.
70% of the US economy is consumer spending. Hit them where it hurts.
I agree, the problem is you have to consume at some level you need food water clothes etc. and for poorer people 100% of their income goes to just buying the basics. You also don’t want to put other citizens out of jobs because of a boycott, that would get unpopular quickly.
For this to work long term you need to get the top 10% or 20% of consumers to cut back on the extras. I.E. Amazon Prime, Netflix, Chat GPT subscriptions, hold off buying an iPhone or electronics, etc.
If you did that and caused consumption to dip even 5% you would hurt the companies that the oligarchs run and in turn hurt Trump.
But Tech companies gave Trump BILLIONS of Dollars! HOW could he Lose them SO Many Customers?
Even Americans are trying to bail from a lot of this crap, not just for political reasons but because its shit.
I don’t think ICANN
I’d say that individual companies need to make contingency plans for when the US puts up their own great firewall (assuming they haven’t already, since I’m in the US).
I think it would be prudent for nations that have Google/Amazon/Microsoft datacenters in them to create legislation that allows them to nationalize or detach those services from the US. I have no doubt that we will eventually have our own policy that gives us the privilege to snoop on foreign data in foreign datacenters that are running US owned hardware.
For this to be practical you need to audit and control the code the runs in the data center. I think that was a hangup with some Chinese based services that offered to host in the EU.
Chinese open-source foundation models are already enabling small countries and companies to build their own large language models.
Had to be mentioned of course, in the context of critical technologies. 🙄
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