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Yeah I’m tired of the GNOME hate so I checked out pretty quick and here’s a rant.
I basically, I want 2 things.
- A WM that just works with modern interfaces.
- A DE that disapears 99% of the time when I’m actually using my computer and shows me just enough to get to my next task when I ask.
GNOME does this. In my opinion KDE doesn’t.
If the process of making your prettiest UI is the thing you’re using your computer for then KDE seems optimized for you but that’s not me.
I don’t want to see the UI. I don’t want to spend time messing with the UI. I want to make it small and black the first time I log in. Maybe change a keybind. Then I want to split screen a terminal and a browser and get to work.
This is GNOME. It’s fine. Stop crapping on people who like that and
And before you asked, I daily drove KDE for several years like a decade ago but got tired of fighting with it. I tried KDE again late last year and it’s gotten a lot better and I’m sure someone committed enough could trim it down the way I want. I tried a couple times and to its credit, I almost got there before getting hidden widgets or broken widgets that caused me to wipe everything and start over. I used to crash the widget manager regularly so it seemed better. But it felt slower and I never was really happy with it so… Not worth the effort.
GNOME is one of the most common desktops used, don’t let loud users decide what you can and can’t enjoy. By the way, I hate GNOME.
Gnome is my go to “get a solid desktop” quick choice. Whenever whatever experimental DE/WM I’m messing with can’t paint a window because it didn’t expect something, Gnome is always there.
Good enough, dependable. 😅
That sounds funny on paper but honestly I haven’t had either of those qualities in many desktops.
Gnome with paperwm is goated. The best DE is the one I don’t think about where everything is always “there”. All I ever really want is a bunch of windows in an arbitrary non-overlapping arrangement and some energy/bluetooth/network gizmos. I do not want to use menus. Ever.
Easy fix, use what works for you.
KDE works for me. I dont like GNOME. Doesn’t work the way I want it to. No hate, it works for some, it doesn’t work for others.
Nothing to get upset over.
gnomes fine to me but plasma kde does the window snapping the way I want.
I didn’t realize they where different. What does KDE do better for you?
window snapping. super key left/right up/down stuff.
Yeah I get that, but I just switched between the latest GNOME and the latest plasma and it looks the same to me
gnome has snapping sorta but its not the same. I was able to get basic side by side but that was about it. Maybe I did not have the latest and I have been on kde for a goodly number of months but it was much more limited.
On KDE I couldn’t get Steam to put my game library on my second harddrive. It would open up the file finder, then simply ignore whatever folder I picked (regardless of drive and folder permissions). I was able to recreate the issue on Gnome under wayland, but X11 works fine. I even tried making a symlink to the other drive in my home directory, no dice. Tried flatpak steam as well as valve’s installer script; nada.
Interestingly, it seems that the “pick a folder” button in Steam opens up a contextual file search window in X, but just a regular nautilus instance in Wayland. I’d say that this is the problem (the regular nautilus/dolphin instance not reporting back to Steam what folder I selected), but it works for moving to different directories, just not drives (in both DEs). Same thing happened on Fedora, so it’s not just “Debian is too outdated.”
But let’s be serious, if I wanted to spend a lot of time tweaking and tuning my graphical environment to be exactly what I want, I’m not settling for Gnome nor KDE. I’m not gonna go with Cinnamon, XFCE, LXQt, LMDE, MATE, nor any ecosystem. I’m going with a window manager and mixing and matching every single program/element myself.
I use i3 on my laptops. I would use Sway (because I don’t have to care about Steam), but for some reason it’s like 5x as resource hungry on these machines (constant freezes and stuttering).
I’d be curious if using https://gist.github.com/davispuh/6600880 or configuration files for Steam that would be the kind of things fixed bypassing integration bugs in the UI. I didn’t try as I didn’t have that problem.
I’ll give it a shot next time I have some time, thank you!
Nice keyboard
Xmonad!
Was stuck with cinnamon and xfce in my first few years of Linux due to crap hardware lol. It reminded me of windows XP/ 7 and I still prefer cinnamon over most other DEs
very good video.
as a correct KDE user, i also enjoy Niri and i feel seen.
Been a KDE user for many years. I recently started using Niri with DankMaterialShell, and it’s pretty awesome. I suspect at some point I’ll drift back to my beloved KDE. But I’m loving the new shiny thing at the moment.
lol hell yeah, im also using Niri with DMS (and noctalia) both at once.
I think my honeymoon phase has ended tho, and im mostly back to KDE with Krohnkite. bc more often than not dynamic tiling suits my use case better. https://codeberg.org/anametologin/Krohnkite
cheers!
thanks for the tip, I’ll check out krohnkite
theres also a desktop effect called “geometry change” that adds a subtle animation when tiles are dynamically resized. many krohnkite users have adopted it, as it looks very nice.
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I messed around with compiz in the early 2000’s to get the rotating cube desktop, windows that burned themselves up with fire when you closed them, etc, etc… And I remember how much work it was to maintain all that stuff and keep it working after updates.
Eventually I stopped caring about things that were kinda neat but didn’t really add much actual functionality, and as I’ve gotten older, I’ve also just stopped caring about tweaking things visually to make it pretty and showcase a desktop or windows, that aren’t really visible unless you have 0 windows open.
As I’ve gotten older my DE and window manager, etc are just a tool to let me use my computer, whether for fun or work, but at the end of the day, I care much more about using my computer than I do endlessly tweaking things.
All that to say: I’m happy that people have the choice to have different DE’s and window managers, and endlessly tweak things, they come up with some cool desktops and interesting UX designs, but for me it’s just a tool at the end of the day.
