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They have been since the beginning.
That’s literally why I got an OG Motorola Droid. I said to myself “I can have a full computer in my pocket!”The whole point of the article is that the new MacBooks are running on iPhone hardware. And that therefore there’s no reason for you not being able to install MacOS on your iPhone. Even your old droid was locked down and you were not able to install a real OS which would have given you the freedom to run what you want without restrictions
It wasn’t locked down. I rooted it, installed a few OS’s, it even ran Linux.
I understand the point of the article. I’m saying since the very beginning, the only limits on what smartphones can do, have been what software ‘they’ want you to run.
A CPU is a CPU. Some are faster or slower, but they can all do anything.
The only difference is UI. I operate my phone in my hand with my thumb, not on my lap or on a desk from a keyboard.
And the hardware. Your phone requires much harder power optimization in order to have a usable battery life. Same for size and heat dissipation.
Also politics related to the radio connection. Public cellular is tied to identity. It is structurally hostile to user-controlled, fully open, deeply optimized devices because the radio stack is certification-heavy, operator-governed, and privacy-hostile.
For the first point, that sort of engineering is more necessary for a smaller form factor, but can absolutely be done for other computer hardware. Applying these lessons to laptops yields some amazing laptopsz for example.
As for the second point, that’s just one component in the system. You can attach a cellular modem to a PC. They just don’t tend to be built in directly.
I’m emphasizing breaking free from identity ties to devices enforced by the hardware/radio. Not adding it to all devices.
It also limits open source competition in the phone market.
I think you’re having a different discussion than we were in this thread, then.
I went to the Verizon store to buy an iPhone when the droid first launched, the rep said “you don’t want that phone, check this one out” and showed me the droid. So glad I didn’t get roped into that ecosystem.
I still miss CyanogenMod dearly…
Yah. It had customizations nobody has anymore.
I am actually very, very, very seriously looking at post-market OS since it is mainline Linux on a phone.
I had an Atrix 4G back in the day.
For me, it was around 2013 an iPad nano, thinking how awesome having an iPhone with unlimited internet would be, because I could listen anything on demand on the go Then I got my 4s as first self bought iPhone.
I realised, how macOS like it is, as I had jailbroken it.
- Phones are computers.
- Phones are the most popular personal computers in the world.
- Many people only have a phone and no other computers.
It’s me. Outside work, I dumped PCs a decade back and have lived a much better digital life.
I seriously get annoyed at the amount of work it takes to keep a PC running.
I hate using a phone. It’s small, the screen is tiny, the keyboard sucks (all touchscreen keyboards suck), you can’t have more than one thing in the tiny screen at a time (yes split screen exists and Android has freeform windows, but they suck even more).
A desktop is a breeze to use. It feels liberating to use after being on a phone.
Then get a larger phone or a tablet and a keyboard. You have options that are infinitely more efficient and less annoying than babysitting a PC.
At some point you must face the question: Are you using a PC because it’s how you’ve always done it?
EDIT: I happened to open the Voyager app and saw your comment. I responded within a minute. My keyboard works just fine. I’m sorry yours doesn’t.
I program on pc. Programming on phone is pretty terrible, I have spent a decent amount of time doing this and you kinda need to accept that a lot of regular dev programs on termux don’t work. And you also have to accept using the terminal for everything
Being able to program with a mouse is pretty convinient for things like debugging
Fair. But you also conceded that you can do it on a phone, just not as efficiently.
My comment specified “outside work.”
I think a lot of people downvoting and defending their PCs so . . . vociferously are just old and set in their ways. Not everyone is a programmer/coder.
You have options that are infinitely more efficient and less annoying than babysitting a PC.
I get personal preferences, but saying the words “more efficient than babysitting a PC” is on a whole new level.
I guarantee I can type faster on a full keyboard than you can even talk and can simply get things done faster and more efficiently on a computer than you can on any mobile device.
At some point you must face the question: Are you using a PC because it’s how you’ve always done it?
No, I don’t have to face that question, because you have no idea how old I am. You’re blindly assuming that I only started using mobile devices well into adulthood, and you’d be wrong.
My keyboard works just fine. I’m sorry yours doesn’t.
I didn’t say my keyboard “doesn’t work”, I said “sucks”. The difference in ergonomics between a (relatively) tiny mobile touchscreen keyboard and a full sized mechanical keyboard is like comparing a 40w lightbulb to the sun.
At some point you must face the question: Are you using a phone instead of a PC because it’s how you’ve always done it?
Edit: to be clear, both of these comments (and 99% of my comments on Lemmy) are all done with my phone using the keyboard that “sucks”.
It took you two days to type that out. I did this in 30 seconds.
Checkmate, atheists.
Nah, I just have a life and only do quick replies to you while I’m in the washroom. Otherwise, I’m doing more useful things like everything else.
You keep your computer in the washroom?
I seriously get annoyed at the amount of work it takes to keep a PC running.
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I mainly just turn mine on. Not a lot of work.
I mean, it’s been a lot of work lately because I’m learning a new OS and mucking about with shuffling some data around on a couple different drives, but for the last 5 years or so, the “work” involved in keeping my desktop running was mainly plugging it in again after moving to a new apartment.
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Ugh sounds like my nightmare. I try to keep the phone away and only use desktops or laptops. I just use the phone for calls, texts, photos when I don’t have a better camera, Lemmy/rss and some light web browsing.
“right to root” would prevent so much eWaste.
I would love a variant that is like, if you stop delivering security and minor fixes/backports to a device, you have to give access to root or better even to the bootloader.deleted by creator
People willingly buy blatantly proprietary systems, then publicly muse why they don’t have freedom to do with them what they want.
I don’t know how many normies you talk to, the vast majority of Apple product owners I meet wouldn’t even know what a proprietary system is, let alone what makes Apple exceptionally bad for it. If it isn’t for jewelery, many of those people are also just buying Apple machines because there is a perceived and real quality gap between them and other options. They think there’s just two major OS’s to chose from and a Chromebook if you’re poor.
Its true though, it is funny and annoying when people who understand what an Apple product is buys it and then acts surprised that it functions as advertised. I think most of these articles are written by people who are trying to warn average people and make sure the issue is platformed.
I will risk dying of laughter if THIS is what finally pisses off the Apple cult.
We have been complaining about this shit for YEARS.
There are “pissed off, not the same, Jobs wouldn’ta dunit” sentiments for almost every new product by Apple.
So I don’t think anything will change much.
Anyway, this is a return to roots. They were, you know, a mainstream consumer oriented company at some point. With an implicit but almost explicit claim that “we don’t do the crap others do”.
I’m optimistic. It’s quality attacking quantity. We’ve had a personal computer market with quantity winning over quality every damn year since about 2003, and it has been getting worse and worse. If the pendulum is starting to move in the opposite direction, it’s very cool.
And yes, megabytes of RAM are quantity.
But admittedly I’m a couple weeks’ old convert.
It would technical possible for Apple to have dual boot, and you could boot macOS when you connect to an external display. But I guess it would not be good for business
Not even dual boot. The core OS is the same. Just have two UI. One for phone one for desktop.
Apple will never do this because they sell hardware.
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That’s what they’re doing. They clearly would prefer people to move to iOS, that smells a bit like MacOS, as it’s a damn sight more profitable to both sell you hardware and software 30% cuts.
It would be quite nice if they added some MacOS features back to MacOS instead of trying desperately to turn it into a mobile phone OS.
That said, Sequoia is so objectively awful it finally gave me the kick I needed to nuke my MacBook Air and install Asahi, and I’m genuinely really impressed. The only shame is having to waste 80gb of disk for a MacOS partition that I’ll never use, but otherwise it’s actually good enough to be a daily driver.
Sequoia? I felt like that was a nice improvement, do you mean Tahoe with its awful liquid ass design?
Actually it was Sequoia that was the last straw for me to get rid of most of my Macs (replaced them with Linux machines in the main - I was just so sick of Apple trying to turn the OS into a phone while not fixing basic known bugs that have been around for years - like forgetting external display layouts one in ten boots, not restarting external drives properly after sleep, and the finder being, well, everything about the finder…) And constantly having to fight with crappy “oh, today all your builds are going to fail because I’ve decided
ld.soisn’t trusted any more” locked down platform nonsense. And creeping “you don’t need to know where your files are stored, they’re In The Cloud, stop asking for a file dialog (and that’s why we’ll never fix the finder btw)” type crap from the ever increasing number of un-uninstallable crapware applications wasting disk space with every update…But yeah, you’re right - the visual horrorshow that is Tahoe was the trigger to finally give Asahi a try on my last remaining Mac.
Shame really; until a couple of years ago I’d had exclusively Macs for desktops & laptops since the late 90s (from the lovely Powerbook G3 Lombard on.)
yep
Perhaps the writer should stop purchasing Apple products.
Perhaps.
lol… fuh apple.
On the MacBook Neo, I can even opt to not use MacOS at all and instead install Asahi Linux if I so choose (assuming Apple continues to allow custom kernel booting as it has in M-series Macs).
The author is jumping the gun a lot there. The Asahi team recently started getting the M3 support kind of working, but still need to reverse engineer the new GPU and various other things that make them different from M1 and M2 laptops. It will be years until we get anywhere close to support of the Neo.
Makes me think of either the Fairphone or the Nothing Phone that originally advertised that it could be used as a desktop computer thanks to USB-C ports and I thought that was a brilliant notion. I really don’t see why Apple couldn’t just do the same. I mean, I can see why (DAT MONAY!) but it would be awesome for folks to have such flexibility with their devices.
You’ve built a generation that can’t extract a zip file without a dedicated app and calls it innovation.
I mean, a .tar would have made sense as example here;
unzipis also a tool (“app”). And not merely for convenience, the format is not simple. Unlike tar, which you could dd to “unpack”.The quote is funny for me, I can’t extract a zip file without a dedicated application, I don’t speak the language of
moisture vaporatorsdeflate, and certainly not fast enough.
the bottom right is giving us the finger. fuck you too apple 😆
I’ll care about climate change the day they do.
But every time I need to throw away perfectly good electronics makes me resentful of the idea that climate change is our fault any further than the fact these fucking people breathe air in Minecraft.
That’s like saying ‘my partner and I smoke, in the house, and we should both stop because it’s killing us and our family members who don’t smoke. Even though I have the ability to stop, or otherwise drastically reduce my smoking, which would be beneficial to everyone, I’m just going to continue because they won’t stop.’
Zero logic here.
