You know, over the last few years, I’ve gained a begrudging respect for Apple. They really care about UX, Ui, build quality, OS efficiency, battery life, and they’re even the best value proposition at several price tiers. I main Fedora and GrapheneOS at home, yes, but I enjoy macOS and iOS at work. macOS has some of those key professional applications that haven’t made it to Linux yet.
Apple is a pretty easy 2nd place in most areas, 1st for laptops specifically. Windows & ChromeOS can fight for 3rd but they’re miles below macOS and Linux.
Tips Fedora
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No but for real, that was one of the main reasons it took me so long to test Fedora. I associated fedoras (and Linux in general) with sweaty basement dwellers for many years. Not to mention “red hat” has a different connotation than it did in the 90s. Yeesh. But I’m glad I got over it, Fedora works the best for my needs and Linux isn’t nearly as hard as it’s made out to be. Might try Cachy at some point though.
People still associate Linux to command line without a GUI and lack of compatibility with hardware. But, honestly, besides some issues with drivers on OpenSUSE 15 years ago, I have not had any issues with Linux ever.
For sure, it isn’t even only the corporate or specifically beginner focused distros that are like this these days either. Most distros have gotten with the program of having GUI choices for most things, easy ways to install proprietary drivers if they weren’t allowed tk bundle them already, and even their own ecosystem like an app store.
Some FOSS software does not work as a full replacement for missing professional software, but that’s about all that comes to mind as far as issues.
honestly, most issues I’ve seen recently have been relegated to ubuntu-derived distributions like popos!
it’s so silly to me how people have this strong misconceptions. I get it for some weird hardware or hardware that EOL that people are clinging on to with windows 11 and grandfathered drivers…
but that’s getting rare… I have a mothballed AMD R9 290X piledriver system, still sitting in storage. that can even run modern Linux distributions… meanwhile my 2 year old (except for GPU, which I got this year) system runs just as flawlessly.
I don’t get it at all.
They really care about UX, Ui, build quality, OS efficiency, battery life
/me side-eyes macOS Tahoe
Have you ran into issues with Tahoe?
It looks like shit and is demonstrably slower than Sequoia because of all the liquid ass.
They spy on people, they lie, they’re a littéral cult
Source: i worked there
Could you elaborate please? I’m interested to know.
That’s known. Siri data is kept for improving the models through human labeling. It’s not like it was hidden, just read the damn privacy policy.
If that’s your magical source as an insider, I’m sorry, but you’re bullshitting. That didn’t prove anything you said too
It’s not spying as it wasn’t their goal. It sure is shit, but you can’t compare that to the stuff Microslop and Google do
That’s not the problem. With the false positive they were hearing people during everyday interactions. I remember my colleague bothered by the fact they were hearing people having sex, talking about drugs, all the while with personal information written on screen.
Do you want some guy in Apple headquarter hears some random snippet of your life because you pronounced the word “Shiny” and the model messed up?
what bothers me more is them constantly scanning files and storing summaries/metadata for “law enforcement”.
could they be more like google… they already got the pretending they were doing no evil phase and going back on it done down pat.
I disabled that voice activation feature for this exact reason, but yea, what’s shitty is that people had not been clearly informed at all
and yet it will still listen, just not trigger. check wireguard…
I meant more if you have knowledge about something that wasn’t publicly known. This was 7 years ago and got btfo’d, hence the article about the firings you posted. Also everyone I know turns off Siri because it is useless.
They got btfo’d and then 1 months later they hired the same people through some other contractors to do the exact same thing. I knew them well.
MacBooks are just better. Even before apple silicon they had a distinct fit and finish advantage, but now with the M series chips they are just on a completely different level.
Hardware specs have gone up, prices have come down, competition prices have gone up, competition software has gone way down. The only way I’d recommend a laptop besides a Macbook is if you can find some nice second hand or refurbished laptops, preferably lightly used business class and/or from an auction. People are really out here selling Windows laptops with 8 GB RAM, horrendous build quality, at damn near 1k.
Desktops are a different story, though in specific use cases, Mac Studio/Mini/iMac are decent options too.
easy to find the bots in this thread.
ever heard of Linux and Framework? arm is great for phones, doesn’t belong In a laptop…
M1(and successors) are amazing processors. but, being stuck into a ecosystem for one is not worth it. I for one cannot wait for full size RISCV CPU cores… honestly, the market desperately needs a shakeup from all of this “I didn’t have a choice, so I chose the most expensive thing that met my minimum specs” copium.
https://system76.com/desktops/thelio-astra-a1.1-n1/configure
Seems to work fine outside the Apple ecosystem.
?? I’m not following. sure you can run arm based CPUs as a mobile device, but performance of large applications or x86 applications is poor.
there is also the addressable memory space issue that exists due to most arm core designs targeting phones… the bus is super limited, despite the architecture technically supporting much much more.
current RiscV cores suffer this same flaw as well.
the reason arm cores have better battery life is they are designed with phones in mind… not a desktop cpu. x86 mobile CPUs are cut down desktop CPUs with tdp restrictions. there is a massive difference as a result.
we are talking completely different design philosophies. it’s like comparing a ebike to a sports car… sure the ebike gets great energy economy when you scale the batteries. it’s half petal powered and has tiny draws on lightweight frame. it’s apples to oranges.
motorcycles would be more apt, but for arm, none really exist outside of obscenely priced workstations.
Lol definitely not a bot. I’ve always been more of an Apple hater due to the ecosystem and business practices, but they’ve turned it around a lot in the 2020s. They’re still a trillion dollar company and not to be trusted, but yeah, they make great laptops.
I main Linux on my desktop and old laptops, like I mentioned. You can say ARM doesn’t belongin laptops but Apple has proven that’s not true. They outperform just about any chip, with battery life efficiency that is not even approachable by any other laptop chips. That’s just the facts. You can spend 3k for a laptop chip that is as good in performance as an M5 (which costs 1k), or you can get a Snapdragon chip that is almost as good as an M5 for efficiency, for over 1k. But not both. That’s where we’re at. Intel especially is asleep at the wheel. At least AMD is making good desktop CPUs still.
I’m also excited for RISC V, I’m considering getting one on an SBC to make a CyberDeck out of. It’s not come as far as ARM yet but it’s promising and we need an open standard.
Lol, did you miss the ios 26 update?
what are you talking about.
Ux/UI has slipped over the last decade.
build quality generation after generation got worse.
os efficiency, my iPad is TERRIBLE…
They actively sabotage old devices to make their performance and battery life /worse/ so it makes new devices feel better…
then you say “best value”. that’s some major copium. what value is there in a $2000 device with $180 worth of components, a locked down ecosystem that tracks everything you do, scans all your data and sabotages your applications…
I remember first gen iPhones. I had one. I still have lots of classic apple hardware. you are literally sounding like a apple care technician.
They got pretty bad in the mid to late 10s, but build quality is a lot better now. No iPhone bend-gate level stuff in a while.
This did happen. Supposedly they stopped after they got fined. You can say liquid glass is a less blatant version of that hidden as a feature, but as far as I can tell they don’t directly do the “slow down” button for new hardware. And if we’re going to talk bloat, Microsoft is far worse. Linux is holding out for us.
You can get an M5 Air for under a thousand bucks with an education discount, which isn’t verified. I’d go for the 24 GB RAM 512 storagw version which would bring you to 1200. Might be able to snag an M4 for even cheaper if they’re trying to dump inventory. The Neo has a better chip than anything close to its price range of $500. You won’t be able to find better build quality OR specs for either of those 2 price ranges, let alone both. Believe me, I remember when they were overpriced 2k Intel machines. They’re not that anymore, they’re the gold standard, and looking even better with how Windows laptop manufacturers have gotten so greedy. You can barely find anything at all decent that’s x86 for under 1k. There’s a point where it doesn’t make sense to go Apple if you need a ton of RAM and local storage, but most people aren’t going to get a 128 GB RAM Macbook Pro.
macOS is demonstrably better for privacy than Windows. Better than Linux? Of course not. Sabotaging apps? Huh?
At the end of the day, I try to get whoever I can convince to go to Linux. I try to convince whoever I can to get a desktop instead of a laptop, especially for gaming. But if they NEED a laptop, or if they NEED apps that aren’t on Linux, especially creative apps like Adobe and CAD, I’m sure not going to recommend Windows, from any perspective, hardware or software. Microsoft is just awful these days, and has no redeeming qualities left, with Proton being as good as it is for games. So its going to be a Macbook. If they’re a student or general user with a budget that doesn’t need a lot of performance, get whatever refurbished business laptop you can get a good deal on with 16 GB RAM, 32 if you can swing it, for like 300 bucks, and put Linux on it.
really care about … build quality
Glad for you that has changed lately. Apple’s is the only (and most expensive) hardware I’ve ever had severe problems with … twice. (In between, that clone they killed worked great for 7 years.) Not buying it.
Apple users are the OG Windows haters.
More like the OG “shiny is better” users
All those shiny Apple 2’s, Macintoshs, Quadra’s, LC’s etc. super shiny beige plastic
Windows was less shitty in the 90s too
I wouldn’t know
BSD was the OG windows haters. Apple was the OG ,“Let’s license hardware/software and call it our own”.
remember where Darwin comes from.
Apple has had operating systems long before OSX in 2001.
Apple is just a few years younger than Unix
I hate IOS as well.
IOS is great. So is iOS.
Linux user: “I hate Windows, because it’s a proprietary OS that got there through sabotage, goodwill from its user that it got on the honeymoon week of Windows 7, and is actively getting enshittified.”
iOS user: “I hate Windows, because the computers it is for don’t come with Gorilla Glass put on the screen, often are too heavy, and the installation of applications involve complicated steps, not just using the app store.”
Android users acting like their OS is open source while they use their OEM proprietary spice of it
Exception for the rare people using an actually fully FOSS OS
what does iOS have to do with this, did you mean macOS?
iOS and Windows are not for the same use case, many people use both
You are correct. But with a good number of people shifting from using traditional format computers to just their smartphones, there is a kernel of truth in the statement. Perhaps you sit at a desk and stare at spreadsheets or terminals to write code. I think this causes a certain bias among the tech cognisante in believing that everyone still owns a computer-- and many people still do. But there is a very great number of people that no longer own a traditional computer and don’t even want/can’t afford one. And many of them just own an iPhone for their basic everyday needs.
What I find scary that when I spent 4 years teaching math at my local school, many couldn’t use a mouse when faced with traditional computing tasks. And I needed to spend a class period teaching them how. If it doesn’t have touch screen they didn’t want to use it.
Fuck that ai artist watermark
Both macOS and Windows are the same thing: Proprietary garbage
Only one of them is UNIX.
only one of them /was/ based on Unix. a extremely stripped down, and proprietary modified version, with all the strong points removed as it made it Unix compatible…
also for the record, m$ did have a Unix variant once, with a UI. it wasn’t populare due to the lack of applications.
Apple spent a ton of money, paying developers to lock their apps to Thier ecosystem. even bundling them with systems…
both only became popular by stealing, manipulation and forcing companies into exclusivity deals. they are both monopolies of their own respective architectures.
I think macOS is more like quality garbage. There’s actual development happening there. It’s still garbage, but you know. It’s garbage that stray cats would eat
I wouldn’t feed it to strays. it’s like poisoned sausages that animal control uses. it looks and smells good, so the desperate fools think they can fill their starving bellies… only to get locked into a death spiral.
apple, google and Microsoft are all perfect examples of what happens when you mix a lack of ethics with people desperate for anything that isn’t junk.
Linux users like: ‘you merely adopted the hate’ 😭
Linux users like: you merely pretended to hate, for your friends believed your posing.
i want ios to perish
iOS is fine. I fucking hate apple, but iOS is a baby gate that protects (metaphorically) undeveloped minds from getting into danger…
…he says while leashed to his android phone…
iOS is a wheelchair, that wheels you into a applecare subscription and handcuffs you to the ecosystem… while removing or lobotomizing third party apps.
iOS is what you give to the drooling kid that just presses buttons on the screen over and over. because you know there is nothing they can do to really damage it, except call emergency services, which you will probably need after bashing your head on the screen 30 times while it refuses to let you install a update as you downloaded a image file it can’t upload to iCloud as your 50mb quota is exceeded and now it can’t do backups.
Jokes on you I am an iOS for mobile and Linux for desktop user. I’ll carry on now.
If someone tells you they’re an iOS user, there’s a 99% chance they use Apple products and a 1% chance they’re a network admin.
iOS user here - I hate Microsoft, and have disliked Windows since before XP. Linux is more conducive to my preferences. Surprisingly, so is iOS for how I need/want to use a smartphone.
ios clearly took inspiration from windows vista for the glass design
and vista very clearly took inspiration from apple’s aqua; this whole “apple liquid glass copied windows vista” argument is very stupid.
It was all Xerox if you go back far enough.
and vista very clearly took inspiration from apple’s aqua; this whole “apple liquid glass copied windows vista” argument is very stupid.
hardly. Aero seen it’s development start before aqua was a published design.
Aero appeared in MSDN builds a full 4 years before…
if anything its a ripoff of a old gnome 2/3 theme. I think it was called ice?
alot of that era was ripping off gnome and KDE ui designs… there was Portable Media Players using Linux kernels on arm hardware that predated the iPod and Zune by a full 3 years…
advertising and paid reviews on tv and magazines got you sales and buried everything back then…
you could steal the US president and hide it with a single fox news broadcast in 2009…
I have both lol
what is this @UwU_Underground thing i keep hearing about and how does one gain access to such a privileged esteemed group
