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Nice April 1st. I mean that’d be almost as ridiculous as running nuclear subs on Windows, right? Long EOL’d versions at that, eh?
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Oh.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a19061/britains-doomsday-subs-run-windows-xp/
(Though, of course, that’s alledgedly simplifying a lot to make it more click-bait-y: https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/no-trident-doesnt-run-windows-xp/ )
Of course a submarine’s systems won’t be connected to the internet, but using a Windows base with a “Custom Support Agreement” still gives a private US corporation the power to cripple their subs.
IMO something so critical to defense should be built by British developers, and based on OpenBSD.gives a private US corporation the power to cripple their subs.
You, umm, probably shouldn’t look up who maintains the trident missiles those subs carry…
Are they maintained by a private corporation?
I bet it’s Adobe. Turns out making or maintaining nukes isn’t really that hard or expensive. It’s just the subscription to Adobe Apocalypse that’s the real blocker for most economies.
I agree, but then I’m one of those really hardcore libre-software-only nutcases ;-)
EDIT: Though, to be fair, the Trident Missiles they carry are US-made, too, so…
Further to this, there isn’t a ‘launch the nuclear weapons’ application which controls things. Windows is used for the day to day admin - producing the paperwork required in any organisation - but the actual control systems, for the submarine, the weapons the reactor etc are not running off windows.
using a Windows base with a “Custom Support Agreement” still gives a private US corporation the power to cripple their subs.
No, it doesn’t.
How is Microsoft going to affect the software installed on a nuclear submarine?
It only gives Microsoft the power to choose to not add new features, the software wouldn’t be on the sub if it required any kind of outside support… the entire point of a nuclear submarine is to perform a second strike after everyone (including Microsoft) is destroyed in a nuclear apocalypse.
Having software that’s dependent on anything that isn’t on the boat would completely defeat that purpose.
The article leaves out that this was on Commander Wiseman’s personal tablet, a Microsoft Surface Pro and not any device associated with the mission.
He sought tech support for internet connectivity issues on a PCD (personal computing device), which is a Microsoft Surface Pro.
The ‘Two Microsoft Outlooks’ was a description of the issue he was having. The headline is implying that there are two machines running Outlook that don’t work.
NASA detected that the PCD was actually on a network. It asked the commander for permission to connect to the tablet remotely so it could look into a problem with the Optimus software. “I also see that I have two Microsoft Outlooks and neither one of those are working,” Wiseman responded, per a clip shared by Niki Grayson on Bluesky. “If you wanna remote in and check Optimus and those two Outlooks, that would be awesome.”
The source of the quotes and a better article:
How fast is their internet connection? I didn’t expect them to be able to “remote in”, I thought the latency would be awful
In Earth orbit, there would be little latency. Starlink operates at ~500km and latency on that network is around 50ms. ‘Traditional’ internet satellites are in geosync orbit which is around 35,000 km, their latency is in the 250ms range.
At TLI (Translunar Injection) burn they were at 185km. They would have been a bit higher when the problem happened but their apogee was 2,600km, so they were somewhere in the 50-100ms range
They use the TDRS for data, it has a capacity of around 800Mbps but that is shared with the ISS.
So, their Internet connection is probably better than people using cellular data or Starlink. At the moon it’ll be in the 2500ms range.
They’re testing an optical system that would allow for much higher bandwidth, in the 100s of Gbps. The hardware that they’re carrying will only do about 250Mbps but there are optical tricks they can do to increase that significantly once they confirm the base system works.
This is so interesting, thanks for sharing! :)
It is incredibly cool.
No way in hell I would want to go to the moon nowadays. Technology these days is like having two left feet. Especially if AI is involved.
The live stream of the launch was low resolution with constant cutouts. I was also surprised by how poor the tracking was. It’s saddening to see how much worse this has been so far compared to 1969.
To be fair it was cutting edge SiFi come to life in 1969. This is at least 30 years too late for that sort of world of tomorrow excitement. Is there even anything ‘cutting edge’ on this launch? I mean Outlook, really? Outlook poor if that is the best they could do.
Yeah, I rewatched the launch from Everyday Astronaut’s livestream and he actually had better footage, he had a tracking camera showing the booster separation
Outside of the launch part, I think it’s mostly because SpaceX has set the standard so high, with tons of high resolution cameras streaming over Starlink even during reentry
SpaceX does a good job, but it didn’t exist in 1969. My own take on this is that as a society we simply don’t care and are generally worse at our jobs.
It’s always assumed that things are constantly getting better, but I’m reminded at moments like this that over the course of nearly 60 years, we’ve not progressed as much as we’d like to think.
It’s clear that several people in charge of the youtube livestream have no idea about how to do that correctly. I think the difference is just effort. Viewership was tiny compared to Apollo 11, as was the hype leading up to it. It’s clear that NASA could provide a whole lot better footage if even some random youtuber (Everyday Astronaut) can beat them. So that aspect is, as you said, because as a society we don’t really care about the Artemis launch. SpaceX does put a fair amount of effort into their livestreams, and you can easily tell by watching them.
For the recorded footage, film often has a lot higher dynamic range than digital cameras and usually looks a whole lot better when recording a launch up close.
Far shots are limited by atmospheric distortion and physical limits from diffraction for a given aperture size. None of that can change.
IDK anything about the quality of the original live broadcast of Apollo 11, so i don’t have anything to compare in that regard
The spacecraft that took astronauts to the Moon used the Apollo Guidance Computer, developed by MIT’s Instrumentation Laboratory.
Clock speed: Approximately 1 MHz Memory: About 64 KB total Word size: 16-bit architecture Power consumption: About 55 wattsYeah there’s no chance that can run outlook. No wonder.
Haha! Space travel, meet rolling releases.
*Microslop Outlook
Not the best… outlook.
As expected
They didn’t pay their subscription fees, obviously. Duh.
I’m guessing it’s one of two things:
It could be two shortcuts to outlook. One might actually be Outlook classic.
Another issue could be a dreaded dual mailbox scenario that occurs when an hybrid on-premises user account gets a mailbox in exchange online before their on-prem account has its attributes created. It’s annoying to deal with and fix.
I’m curious as to what the issue is and how they fix it. I would assume that latency and bandwidth are a big problem and they have WAN acceleration going on, which can cause some apps to bug out.
I actually helped Riberbed identify and fix a bug with Exchange optimization that took 4 years to fix. The tech I worked with for about a year when we identified it called me up 3 years later to tell me himself that they fixed and closed it.
A late April fool‘s hopefully… 😱
Have you ever used outlook?
It’s the worst, and no, it never works. The company I work at forces outlook on us, still, and there are some 5% of users that can’t mail each other. Why? Don’t know! I send a mail to a person, outlook logs say it was delivered, it’s nowhere to be found. What to do? According to the company, just live with it and creat new accounts from scratch when it happens
We could ask support as the company pays hefty windows license fees but even there it’s tucked up as M$ refuses to help directly it needs to go through some support company that wants that we pay them even more no ey separately for the long list of microbugs.
I find it almost hilarious, if I didn’t have to work with it myself.
Giving astronauts outlook accounts is just mean
Unfortunately yes, can‘t get around it in company for 25 years now and started with 97 so I think I know what I am talking about. Can‘t avoid it in many enterprises though so I feel what you‘ve posted 💯! 😉
My general worries are the quality of Microslops current software quality and the dependency towards it when flying to space while every week there is another thing not working after updates were made. Wouldn‘t like to base my mail communication towards this „stability“ when leaving the planet though. 😐
Recently started a new job and for the first time I’m fully emersed in the Microslop software suite. Somehow Outlook and Teams haven’t failed critically but I still hate them. Someone emails me a PDF, so I open it. No, I don’t want to open PDFs inside Outlook, so I download the PDF. Where is it? Is it on my Onedrive or does the file actually exist on my computer? Does anything exist on my computer?
In my personal life I haven’t touched Windows in about 4 months now and I don’t want to go back, although I’ll probably be booting up Windows 10 because I just downloaded the pre-alpha version of Kitten Space Agency. Planning to try Bazzite soon, we’ll see how that goes, I’ve heard good things.
Outlook is just impressively bad. When I came back to work from the weekend, there was this attack on one of our sites that sent out a notification for each attack it detected and I came to work to 20K new emails.
Ever tried, to delete 20K emails from outlook? Its amazingly stupid! First of all, you can’t just bulk select. Search won’t help either (Search half the time returns nothing anyways) so you have to kind of select one, scroll 2387942 times down until you are a few thousand mails in. Now, this is important: Click correctly! If you click wrong, all the mails you’ve selected so far will be unselected again and you have to start over. Press shift, and select a mail. Now you have a few thousand mails selected. Press delete.
And now go for a coffee because you won’t be able to use your outlook for the next 30 minutes. You can’t open mails, can’t refresh the page (you’ll get a crash page if you do). Half an hour later, outlook reloads again, and you’ll see that it successfully deleted about 80% of your selected mails. The other 20%, I hear you ask? Yeah, those were just not deleted. Why? I don’t know? Why are you asking me?!
I would constantly see “There are 6K mails” and then the table where the mail headers are shown shows 7 mails… Load more? Nope, nothing, need to reload the page.
Try copy paste! Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccckkk if they don’t crash, they will just piss you off… Now pasting gets you this weirdo paste box. You can’t type anymore, there is this stupid paste thing floating, and you need to press ESC to continue.
Half the time I’m writing an email and the text formatting options just disappear, and I can’t do any formatting anymore. I can fix this, I just have to get out, to go drafts, reopen the mail I was writing because fuck you, that’s why.
How about outlook365? Its awesome and amazing! I write text and I can see bits and pieces of the text I wrote previously just disappear, like its high on Alzheimer. You literally just see parts of paragraphs disappear while you are writing below. Best part of this? Then you change your useragent to say that you’re not on linux, but on windows, and the problem magically resolves itself!
Microsoft is the worst software company ever
This is a common issue. I’ve only ever solved it by deleting registry keys.
Things you don‘t want in critical situations or before leaving this planet on a spaceahip - deleting registry keys 😜 !
I was fully expecting the “New” dogwater web based Outlook client to be borked but the fact that classic is borked too is so fucking funny
probably the outlook code was vibe coded kek.
I scanned through the next several minutes after this moment and didn’t hear them address the duplicate Outlooks again. So, I emailed the Artemis II communications team, who is definitely not busy today I’m sure, and asked: Can the astronauts check their email yet?
I’ll update if I hear back.
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