There’s NOTHING Safer than having the Epstein Class KNOW where Kids are and WHEN they’re Home Alone!
-US Politicians!
Remember folks, age verification is personal identity verification.
💯 don’t call it age verification - that’s just what the unmasked scooby-doo villain is still hiding behind.
Well they could do it the right way where, for example, you go to your city hall to get a certificate of age where they check your ID. Then some cryptography happens so you only enter a public key from that certificate on a website or OS to verify your age.
The website or OS doesn’t check your ID. City hall doesn’t know your browsing history.
But I’m not fooling myself, that’s not the point of such a law.
no implementation of personal ID for internet access will ever be “correct.”
Exactly. Digital ID verification is in no way comparable to physical ID verification.
incorrect.
Please do explain why you think digital id verification is indeed comparable to physical id verification.
That’s not true. It’s simple if all you actually want is age verification.
You go in to the government building and show your ID. Seeing you are 18 or older you get to go to another room where they don’t check your ID, just give you a token saying the one holding it is over 18. Make the token like a FIDO key where you have a pin you set yourself.
There is an air gap between the validation and the token creation so there is no way to go from token to ID. You make the key use a pin so we consider it to be once usable by one person.
The issue is not about the technology. The issue is that we all know this has nothing to do with kids getting on porn sites.
Would these tokens be unique per website visit? Are they generated by the user or the government?
It can be a shared token. For example a cryptographic hash. There are many solutions for the problem of certifying a token while giving no traceable data.
In most solutions there would be the traceability of knowing “User X went to site Y and site Z” but never knowing who “User X” is. There have been solutions proposed that create site specific hashes where it becomes more difficult if not impossible to track a user across different sites. So it just depends on if this issue needs to be resolved or not.
Personally I would be fine letting every porn site I use know I’ve been to every other porn site. If you wanted to go somewhere that you don’t want them to know, throw out your token and go get a new one.
“Key questions remain unanswered, such as the definition of “operating system provider,” the type of verification required, the focus on major commercial platforms, and the potential scope beyond them.”
I guarantee this bill is unenforceable. Cars, phones, traffic lights all have have computers with operating systems. All modern tech has an operating system of some sort. Also how do you even verify age? If my laptop is offline can I just not use it because it can’t confirm my id? What about tech that never goes online but has an OS, like a calculator? I can’t believe microsoft and apple are not lobbying against this. Who becomes liable if an “underage” person is accidentally given access or if access is denied to an “of age” person. I can just imagine an emt frantically looking for their driver’s license so they can use the computerized defibrillator.
It feels like a Mr. Smith Goes to Washington display would solve this.
Just bring everything that has an operating system in it into the room. Cars, boats, planes, construction equipment, tractors, factories, knock off game consoles, literally every server on the internet.
Show them the ridiculousness of this and maybe we’ll get dragged out by police and charged with contempt of congress
If my laptop is offline can I just not use it because it can’t confirm my id?
Yes. The powers at be will stop at nothing to take more, and more, and more power away from you. This is human nature.
What is this argument? You and I both know they want this age verification at the OS level for personal computing devices: phones, tablets and computers, maybe watches.
Is this really what’s going to kill this law? Semantics?
Yeah, that’s kind of what laws are all about
Rules being implemented and enforced by actual pedophiles
*Ruling class rapists.
Rapist class
Pedophile class
Palantir really wants it’s fucking database.
All because Petey truly believes that there are demons living in the United States.
there are demons living in the USA. all Petey has to do to find the closest one… is look in a mirror.
No the sad truth is that Peter Theil is, in fact, human. A human that we are all capable of becoming.
You just have to make a billion bad decisions to get where he is now.
Peter Theil and Sam Altman are why “queer owned business” is no longer an interesting label to be.
Tim Apple as well
I didn’t know, but I’m actually not surprised.
Nazis aren’t human. they are evil given physical form.
No, they are human and they bleed the same. The irony is that they don’t see the rest of us as human.
He is right, demons live in US. They are in various Federal, State, Local and Corporate functions. For example current Federal government are all demons (pretty much) and all of ICE employees. Demon here is “spirit or lesser humanity” or simly said Inhuman individuals.
I keep seeing comments like this, and I just need to say, no Palantir doesn’t have any database. It’s a completely evil company that makes and sells surveillance software to governments and companies. Then the governments and companies have these terrible databases that they manage with the Palantir software.
Palantir themselves don’t do any spying or data collecting. They sell tools so that others can do that. They absolutely take the blame, but I want people to understand what’s actually happening.
Everyone in this comment section, you’re just gonna take this? Its been time, but if this is what motivates you to throw bricks at politicians then lets go
If they were people of action, they wouldn’t have Lemmy accounts.
Will giving my unwanted opinion about Linux help this dire situation?
Can’t hurt
Those violence inciting comments always read to me like “Hey, reply to me so you can be put on a watchlist”
Is there something that limits a person to a single lemmy account?
You know, to make that watchlist effective?
You access the Internet through a network owned by a corporation under the jurisdiction of a government, your ISP knows who you are and so your government knows who you are.
Both of our Lemmy instances are hosted by Hetzner, in Finland and Germany. Both instance’s connections are proxied through Cloudflare, an American tech company.
Any one of these entities has the ability to track you to at least an ISP and potentially down to the nearest street intersection if you’re using fiber/cable. And that ISP will have records linking your IP lease information to your identity, or at least the credit card/billing information that you provided.
The kind of people who would be putting you on a watchlist are not the kind of people who will be thrown off by simply changing usernames on social media.
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Take an upvoter because you speak the true true.
I’m having a hard time understanding how this is going to keep kids safe.
That’s because it is never about the children.
This is about protecting the entrenched players in the OS games; Microsoft, Google and Apple. The likely end play for all this is the erosion of personal computing so they can rent (and therefore control) all the compute available to you, so you don’t get uppity and think of running your own AI, which they believe will be as integral to everyday life as the internet is today.
It helps the rich oligarchs track their child harem and broodmares and make sure nobody is infringing on their “rights” to treat people as property.
In the future, you’ll be sentenced to 10 years hard labour for a contraband OS while children are raped openly at lavish parties.
You will be sent to die for Israel 🤣
🎶Your government is run by pedophiles! 🎶
Don’t want to compete with a potentially capable Linux? Pay the government to make it illegal!
There’s already being work done to add an optional age-attestation in systemd.
And note that none of the laws proposed so far are actually verifying age, they’re only requiring someone to enter it. That’s attestation, not verification. Verification will be the next tightening of the screw.
Meta, etc pushing this so that they don’t have to.
They want this because it entrenches them yet further. More of this kind of regulations makes it more difficult for newcomers to comply with everything.
Also I’m sure they’d love to be the one to hover up all of your data.
Man, if they don’t have all my data by now, they’re doing something wrong.
Yup, from the party of pedophiles
They want you know they are grooming real children
It’s sponsored by one Republican and one Democrat.
Both are the party of the pedophile. Let’s not kid ourselves, Republicans and Dems have been separated only by livery.
Sponsored it one thing, agenda is another. Conservatives want to control your porn access… this is mostly a right agenda.
The Internet is built upon and requires anonymous participation! This is an attempt to end privacy…
Youth rights and children rights should not be forgotten. These rights are the most impacted here, which fundamentally causes them to succeed in the eradication of privacy rights.
@throws_lemy @Janx This is gonna kill the internet, and then free speech in general is going to fall alongside it.
It’s also gonna kill device ownership as you will no longer own your device under this law.
The end game is everyone accessing info through a state intranet like NK has, through government-issued thin clients, where only the state decides what you can and can’t say and what data you can have access to.
Has Bipartisan support too. The corporations want this, and both of our parties listen to them first and us a distant second. Catering to corporate wants is about the only thing the two parties can agree on. It’s probably going to pass, even if I hope it doesn’t. Buckle up my friends…
I’m so sick of this depraved pedophile oligarch Mossad shit
The smart doorlock my dad install now needs an age verification now?
Don’t worry, if it all goes as planned it will even have a gender or even race verification; for your protection.
