Framework announced the Framework 13 Pro including full Linux support right from the beginning.
Some quick information about the Device:
- will use Intel Core Ultra 300 (Panther-Lake)
- updated Battery Design with (up to) 20h Battery life
- custom designed Display Panel with Touch support (keeping the 3:2 aspect ratio)
- LPCAMM2 for upgradable/replacable RAM without compromising on Speed/Low Power of LPDDR5X
- milled Aluminium Unibody chassis
- Full Linux support right from the start (including Firmware update via LVFS, Fingerprint Reader, etc.)
- Haptic Touchpad
- and all the repairability features Framework is known for
You can watch their YouTube Video for a quick summary:
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnOpIQJnYWU
- Invidious: https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?__goaway_challenge=js-refresh&__goaway_id=5a21ef489cbc0e9e48ccded2c92f2b68&__goaway_referer=https%3A%2F%2Finv.nadeko.net%2F&v=GnOpIQJnYWU
I was looking for a new laptop to replace my old Lenovo Yoga 370 and initially disregarded the Framework 13 because of some downsides (low Battery Life, bad Camera, etc.) and was looking to go with one of the following devices:
- HP Elitebook X g1a
- the new Dell XPS 14
- Asus Expertbook PM5 G2
or also a MacBook pro. I am using Linux since more then 10 years and never touched MacOS at all. So I was not sure if MacOS would work for me. But this announcement made it easy: It will be a Framework 13 Pro with Intel X7 358H!
this looks cool, but i have a note for those willing to stop using their working but more proprietary devices to get this instead.
while this is more repairable and upgradable than most currently popular laptops, you shouldn’t upgrade if you don’t need to. if your device works, and you can live with the missed performance and other features, don’t condemn it to the e-waste bin, where it will most likely not be efficiently disposed of nor recycled, and add to the at least 62 million tonnes of yearly e-waste that is also processed by socially vulnerable people (including children) in economically disadvantaged nations.
if you don’t have to waste it, don’t. reduce.
They could put it on eBay. Win-win?
Or donate to NetBSD foundation. NetBSD tends to keep old hardware alive.
giving it to someone else is good too
Ofc if you want to throw away your old laptop you should give it to me instead :3
Unironicaly though there should be a mass program where old PC parts and tech are donated from people who don’t want it to people who do (for example an old laptop that a retro collector might want or a broken laptop someone else might be willing to fix)
Agreed. Don’t spend money you don’t have to just to fit in with losers on the internet.
Agreed! Plus I buy almost all tech reburbished or used these days. Most of the time it’s a way better deal especially when running Linux. At worst sometimes the battery is bad so I only buy stuff where that is replaceable.
This is really cool, I hope they end up taking off. I wish there was something similar to this in the EU. I’d be very interested in a laptop I can upgrade over time.
They are sold in Europe, no need to wait!
I appreciate the heads up, but I’m trying to buy from EU if I can.
Ah then your comment makes sense. In Europe the closest we have are the Linux laptops from Tuxedo, which I’ve heard are pretty repairable, but not really upgradeable.
Tuxedo is actually who I’m probably going to end up going with. Repairability is a must, upgrading I’m okay with being a “nice to have” for now. My fingers are crossed for something during the next upgrade cycle, though!
Tuxedo (and most of “European” and/or “Linux” brands like Slimbook, XMG/Schenker etc.) are rebranded Tongfang or Clevo laptops though. They are neither designed nor made in Europe.
Right, but if I spend money at an EU business, it doesn’t go away and might expand to design or make their own computers, or it might move the needle by showing a stronger interest in EU companies that allows for a company that does design parts in the EU to take that space.
I hope so. I’m still rooting for them
My purchase philosophy for every single item nowadays
Europe doesn’t make RAM, or processors or WiFi chips. Why do you want a European dude assemble parts for you?
Because I would rather pay a European company over an American company where possible for similarly valued products. By supporting a company here, I am hopefully contributing to an expanding market here.
I am of the same opinion, but when it comes to laptops, I’d rather go for an american company that cares about repairability, sustainability, and genuinely good laptops than a EU company without those values. It’s not all black and white, and this is a clear case where paying a US company is one of the better choices.
That’s fair. As far as I’m aware, Tuxedo laptops have a good history with repairability, and I personally use my devices until they die and are no longer suitable for what I need them for, so I’m not all that worried about being horribly unsustainable with it. I’ve heard Tuxedo laptops are pretty high quality as well, so that kinda covers all my bases.
For me, there’s the added moral imperative of spending less money on US companies as well, though. It’s kind of a balancing act all around. I’m not judging you for picking what you pick, either, though. Just different strokes and all that.
I think framework are worthy of support even though the company is American.
- Regardless of who you buy from… Manufacture including assembly is done in east Asia. That’s where most of your money is going.
- Framework are not tech giants. They’re a small company battling giants.
- The ethos of ownership, repair and upgrade needs supporting.
- They’ve been following through on their promises.
So yes, I’m not buying US goods as much as I can also. I make an exception for Framework. They’re the resistance in an occupied nation.
Super valid approach! I’m not out here casting judgement on where people choose to throw their money in a situation like this. I think there’s plenty of nuance and room for different values to end up with different results.
The laptops are made and assembled in Taiwan and send directly from there to the consumer. At least if you order from Europe.
There’s still benefits made, and it goes to a US company. Framework is obviously high quality and their approach is really laudable, but who says their employees won’t spend part of their salaries on Starbucks, McDonald or Coca-Cola. That’s how far current events made me go when purchasing literally anything. I just stopped buying my regular EU brand peanut butter because they source peanuts “from Argentina, India and… US”. Ok sorry for the rant. Anyway, Tuxedo looks good.
I propose a little cultural exchange. I’m sure Framework and Fairphone could stand to do a little cross pollination.
Are framework products not available in the EU?? They’ve been making stuff for years I figured surely they would be
I’m sure they are, but I’m trying to support EU companies rather than US if I can avoid it.
If you buy Tuxedo you’re supporting Chinese companies mostly
Are frameworks made in the US? Last I saw they are made in Taiwan.
In any case I’d rather fund China than the US lol are you kidding.
They are made in Taiwan and then directly send to the consumer. At least when ordering in Europe.
Yes, I’d prefer Taiwanese companies to get the money over Chinese ones
Yeah, I’m aware Tuxedo isn’t manufacturing their own parts. I would rather whatever cut isn’t spent on manufacturing costs to go toward an EU company, though.
Why do you want to ship the rest of the profits to China over Taiwan
That’s not a thing that I said I want.
But that’s a thing when you get when you buy laptops made by Chinese OEMs
They cost an arm and a leg. We definitely need our own version of Framework home grown.
Pro 13 pre built with Intel
Germany: 2369 eur USA: 1499 usd
You can literally go to New York, eat a rye and pastrami, get your framework 13 pro, fly back and still be somewhat ahead
It’s insane how much tech fleeces Europeans, but it’s also always been like this. We don’t get the insane discounts USians get either. Never seen a Thinkpad 50% off around these parts like they do over there.
US price is without taxes and the German price is with VAT already included. It’s still more but not as drastic.
True, without 20% VAT German price would be ~1974 eur (=~2319 usd)
They are sold in Europe, don’t worry.
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I love my original Framework running Fedora, but in order to compete with MacOS, Windows and Linux need to figure out standby battery usage without hard shutting down after each use. Otherwise, the size of the battery is not pointless, but pretty close.
This, so much this. I also run Fedora.
I can’t just close the lid and put it in my bag without worrying.
Honestly, most times of I’m not actively working on something, I just shut it off completely before packing it away. It starts plenty fast, and at least I know I’ll actually have battery when I need it. Instead of finding it dead or at 10%. So annoying.
Same, also on Fedora. I deal with it by using hibernate (which is sweet until a kernel update borks it)
I looked into it, but I didn’t want to mess with rpmostree anymore than I need to, since I’m on bluefin. I’m really digging the forced stability.
Tbh even if they figure it out (and they should, not everyone is me) I probably won’t use it often, I like the extra layer of security having to type my LUKS pass to unlock the FDE then my User pass, just in case. Plus as you noted it starts plenty fast already at under 30sec, it’s not a 5min boot like windows on my old laptop.
Don’t have a Framework, but I think it’s due to the whole ‘modern standby’ approach where the firmware doesn’t implement ‘standby’ anymore and just let’s the OS put everything into as low power state as possible, component by component.
It doesn’t work well for Windows either, which is why a Windows laptop I have will ‘standby’ for maybe 15 minutes before shutting itself down for ‘hibernate’. I figure they decided that NVME means resume from hibernate is ‘good enough’ and modern standby is such a power hog that they can’t pull it off.
Problem in Linux is that they view SecureBoot as a promise they cannot keep if they resume from disk, so they block hibernate if SecureBoot is enabled, making it hard to bank on as a reliable recourse.
Man I was really hoping for a haptic touchpad compatible with the current input cover… At least they kept the Pro input cover compatible with the regular chassis, although it’s a very pricey upgrade.
I think you can just get the new Pro input cover, right? That’s essentially just the trackpad. The aluminum of the cover itself is probably a fairly negligible part of that cost.
Doesn’t change the fact that the new input cover is 200€, vs 100€ for the 2nd gen one and discounted 45€ for the 1st gen.
That’s about the same price as a MacBook Pro touchpad replacement. Just the touchpad.
Ouch. And I guess it’s slightly more involved than removing 5 screws and a connector…
In fairness, from MacBook Neo teardowns I’ve seen, it’s only slightly more involved. But then again, the Neo doesn’t have a haptic trackpad. For the Pro’s haptic trackpad, yeah, I would bet it’s a pretty huge pain to replace.
That’s correct:
good battery life is nice, but does Linux’s bibernation or suspend work reliably on this? Asking because coming from Lenovo, the power performance is not a problem but it is the power management. Unless I am on a Window version specifically for that Lenovo laptop or I am on a Mac, there is always that 10% chance the laptop will fail to suspend properly.
In my experience Power Management is broken on Windows and Linux the same way. Some laptops do work better then others, but none of both Systems works fully reliable. My work HP Elitebook 845 G8 also has the problem of waking itself up in my backpack and boiling to Death (empty Battery). And it is running on Windows.
Don’t know if Apple with their MacBooks have similar problems.
i think the good alternative is to get a really fast drive and hibernate everytime you close the lid. Sure it’s slower to resume but with ssd that shouldnt be an issue. Or if Framework has 2 drives we can suspend the image to that 2nd drive then use the main drive to boot up off of it.
I was loaned a Macbook at my previous workplace. Didnt really use it much because my work apps do not work on Mac. So it sat on the shelves until the day I left the company (too much toxicity). I only used it once or twice when doing presentations. Anyway, that thing suspened pretty much 10/10. The standby power save is better too: i closed the lid on Sunday night and next Sunday, when open up the lid the battery was at 95%.
If you have a swap partition setup that’s larger than the RAM the Linux will hibernate into it. Trouble is a lot of people don’t bother with swap partitions these days.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate
Apple is best in class with standby. For the first time in my linux life I’ve got good stand by with my 13th gen Lenovo X1 carbon. The standby and low power states actually work.
Definitely going to get the full width touchpad for my F16, I dont think my wife needs to upgrade her F13 just yet tho
Also tempted by the occulink kit, especially since I could use my current 7700S with it
Is there a proper Desk Solution for OcuLink target available on the market?
Everything that I saw is rather flimsy:
- No proper mounting for the GPU to keep it securely in place
- No enclosure to protect it from outside effects (cat putting its Paq into the Fan)
- Need to “trick” the ATX/SFX PSU into supplying power by jumpers
Just use the OCuP4V2 dock, it has the proper mount to secure the GPU and the PSU. No enclosure, your cat either need to leave it alone or you will need to be creative.
If you are into eGPU, and is firm about the 13/14 size don’t get the Framework. This “Pro” version is disappointing, not coming with USB 4.2 or TB5, Dell released last year a Dell Pro 14 with 2 TB5, they will probably release more this year and Lenovo will announce their Thinkpad 2026 lineup tomorrow: https://mactivity.lenovo.com.cn/smb/thinkxp-c.html?pmf_group=in-push&pmf_medium=sc&pmf_source=Z00028090T004
This dock does not fix any of the problems I mentioned. It is (like all the others) just a simple metall plate with a PCIe and OcuLink Connector…So again a flimsy solution for tinkerers at best.
Thunderbolt 5 is, from a Performance point of view, a rather inferior solution compared to OcuLink performing in a lot of cases worse. See the testing results from “Try some tech”: https://www.pcgameshardware.de/screenshots/1020x/2025/10/Thunderbolt-5-vs-Oculink-Youtube-Try-Some-Tech-pcgh.jpg Therefor I would rather take the Downside of a non-Hot-plug solution like OcuLink. But I want a proper Docking solution for a Desk and not this “bare metal” stuff we have right now.
What are you about here? “Just a simple metal plate”, what exactly are you expecting? That is exactly the definition of a motherboard or a dock.
The TGX dock from Lenovo is that inside a box.
I never said TB5 is best than Oculink in performance but is better than a TB4 and reduce the gap to Oculink. Good luck with your imaginary eGPU dock and your Framework 13 with limited TB4 port.
So, no weird firmware issues with Framework, like Tuxedo had?
The machine hasn’t shipped yet, and won’t until July. Framework has a page for downloads of their BIOS updates for their various generations of mainboards, and for Linux users all firmware can be updated by LVFS via fwupd as far as I’m aware.
I have my preorder in for the 13 pro, and I know full well there may be some firmware growing pains with the new chip architecture, but I think 6 generations in, they’ve proven themselves capable of addressing any issues that arise.
There are issues, but at least Framework releases firmware updates
Let’s hope that “Ubuntu certified” means that all the Hardware and its Firmware is propperly working. But to be 100% sure we will need to wait for the first units to ship and some reviews.
My 7040u is rock solid on Fedora. I’ve seen some pretty bad shit with the Ryzen AI series, but people tend to only post about issues.
Currently regretting an “upgrade” to the Ryzen AI series… although many of its most glaring issues (that weren’t issues on the 7040) appear to be fixed in Resolute Raccoon based on testing a daily release of it as a live boot.
This made me feel better about not understanding the benefits of attic halo and buying 7040
Interesting, I thought that the Ryzens were better than Intel’s offerings?
What were the issues?
The 7040 discussed here is the 1st gen Framework 16" offerings and also an AMD cpu. The newer AI300 series chips don’t seem to play as nice with the older linux kernel available in Ubuntu Noble Numbat 24.04.4 without enabling HWE, HardWare Enablement. Suspend fails on the newer 2nd gen out of the box although I think in my case tracked that to the newer WiFi rather than the mobo/cpu and appears to be solved on the new LTS, long term support, due for release tomorrow. Also been getting some mouse cursor ghosting that wasn’t seen with the 7040 not full lines but half a cursor left rendered on the screen until something mouses over it again and the touchpad stutters upon engagement and jumps which is possible a known Wayland issue but is dramatically more noticeable on the AI 300 than the 7040 once using the touchpad it is fine but initial use there is a slight but noticeable lag. I mean none of these other than suspend (if you don’t know about it and torch your machine in a bag) are breaking usage.
edit newer AI300 also doesn’t seem to kick over to the GPU as reliably but haven’t troubleshot that as intending to upgrade the software shortly. Also Framework doesn’t suggest installing that older version of Ubuntu on said hardware so it seems they are aware of it but those of us who prefer LTS versions as opposed to interim releases have had issues?
The dual screen Asus Zenbook Duo works great with Linux. Programmer’s dream, love mine.
Such a cool device. I hope many other vendors will eventually include that form factor in their lineup. I can’t wait to get my hands on a high-end Thinkpad DUO.
Interested in buying a framework in the future, but only one with a flip-over touchscreen.
Are the touchscreens pressure sensitive? Can they be used for art?
I wonder how its touchscreen will be or is on their available laptops and does it support drawing with a tap like ipad or any other android tablet does? My friend has a surface laptop, its hardware is very good from what i know, it also has its own pen and it has pen pressure, the only problem is the screen, whenever i tried to draw on it the screen would shake and i was afraid i was going to break it. I wonder is that a surface laptop problem or a problem with all laptops that support this feature
Did they say what the full chassis upgrade kit will cost? There is no price in their shop, only a selection for the keyboard language with a price beside it but I doubt that the full chassis kit only costs 200€.
this is the price only for the input/top cover: https://frame.work/de/de/products/laptop13pro-input-cover-kit?v=FRANKK00A7 If you want to also upgrade the Back Cover you will need an additional Kit: https://frame.work/de/de/products/laptop13pro-bottom-cover-kit?v=FRANKN000H
I’m talking about this kit: https://frame.work/de/de/products/framework-laptop-13-pro-chassis-kit-graphite?v=FRANKK00A1
Good question. Don’t know. Would need to ask the Framework Forums for some clarification.
It better not have a HiDPI display… It’s not “fully Linux compatible” if they ship it with a buggy, non-compatible HiDPI display.
“Full Linux support” should mean I don’t have blurry fonts, oddly shaped windows, stuck using only certain DEs, stuck using only certain apps.
Lol, just because you chose to use DEs that don’t support it well doesn’t mean every customer that wants high resolution has to suffer.
doesn’t mean every customer that wants high resolution has to suffer.
There’s no possible solution to this problem. Oh, no. If only someone could invent some way where customers that want to deal with bugs could buy a HiDPI display and customers who just want their software to work could chose a regular DPI display. Like, if 2 options were available or something crazy like that… Idk.
Also yeah, I’m on a super niche DE nobody has ever heard of: GNOME.
I’ve dealt with this first hand. It was so bad I returned my old Framework. Not doing that again. Anyway, looks like nothing has changed. Have fun dealing with scaling issues. ✌️
Not my issue that gnome sucks, I use KDE and hi DPI works for me
Yeah… try GNOME 50… the gnome dev team left their older versions behind and they have become hot garbage sadly.
All of the OSs that ship by default on Framework machines properly support HiDPI. I think it’s fair to expect that shipping with HiDPI is fine. Yes, or course, you can put your own OS on it, but I don’t complain to Dell when my preferred OS doesn’t support some piece of hardware properly.
What’s the issue with HiDPI ? I’m out of the loop.
KDE just merged a bunch of rendering improvements for HiDPI displays in their latest release.
I use it on a 2x scale display and it works perfectly fine.
HiDPI has been an issue on Linux for decades. If you’re new to Linux, I’d highly recommend you do not get a HiDPI display. You’re gonna have to apply workarounds to get your apps looking normal and for some apps you might just be stuck with blurry fonts.
If you’re new to Linux and want less problems, avoid HiDPI.
Just look at how big this thread got: https://community.frame.work/t/tracking-state-of-hidpi-on-linux/8301
Since the last response in the linked thread is quite old I think we have to revisit this in 2026. I hope that the latest update to GNOME 50 solved this. On my 34" 3440x1440 Display 1x scaling is just fine. But I guess this could be different on 2880 x 1920 on a 13.5" Screen.
Is this still an issue with the latest KDE Plasma & Gnome ?
Just put a lower resolution and good. No need to deal with buggy scaling implementations and lower battery life, for a difference you only see with your nose on the screen.
Then it could have been just a FullHD or 2k display as well? Yes.
In the announcement they say the resolution (2880x1920) was chosen to be used at 2x scaling for that reason.
I dont fully get that? Its not a multiple of 1920x1080, so thats unclear to me.
Overpriced garbage for people that don’t know any better.
