Due to a (now former) admin of the instance anarchist.nexus calling for a member of our team, as well as anyone else they call a zionist, to be murdered, the instance has been defederated.
We’re currently discussing how we will proceed with this situation and whether it will affect lemmy.dbzer0.com, which is mostly run by the same admin team, notably excluding the person who used to be on the anarchist.nexus admin team.
We will share further updates once we have them.
Update 2026-04-22 23:25 UTC: anarchist.nexus federation has been reactivated.
We are still discussing this matter, but there is currently no point in keeping anarchist.nexus defederated while lemmy.dbzer0.com is federated.
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Ya, Kaplan needs to be removed from his admin/mod duties ASAP. He sees lemmy.world has his personal and private property and thinks he can do whatever he wishes. That is not what a community is about.
He is the typical reddit mod that we all hate. That is one of the reasons why we are on lemmy rather than on reddit. And yet, we are letting it happen here again? Fuck no. We need to be on the look out and stop such things as soon as possible, before they become too big to deal with.
He’s not the only one
From what I saw, the ‘call to murder’ was someone having kill all zionists in their username, and that only makes sense as a real call to violence if we’re supposed to take everyone’s username seriously and literally. That would be a very weird world to be in, as then we’d have to accept that we’re reading posts written by Star Trek characters come to life, inanimate objects, and various bodily fluids. Without evidence of something worth taking more seriously, at best this looks like the admin team doing something silly, and obviously certain groups of Lemmy users will interpret it less charitably and as the LW admin team being pro-genocide. Neither is a good look.
Surprise surprise Lemmy isn’t entirely different from Reddit in that:
- It kills a community over the name of one user (yes I’m aware it was an admin)
- Said admin had beef with this user, which they conveniently left out in their post description
- It’s got shameless hypocrisy too where calls to death from zionism is acceptable but not the other way around
For the record, I am not for calling anyone’s death as that’s not my thing, but have some consistency hypocrites. Smh.
The site structure can only do so much when what you hate is certain users. The idea of lemmy is that other instances can be free from the unjust actions of users on one instance such as this one-- which is a success.
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a lot of lemmings like to dog whistle by saying they would not shed a tear if all zionists or anyone not protesting against them were killed
because they are cowards
I think speech on the issue of killing zionists is more serious than Star Trek and cum farts, because there’s a war actively going on. And killing Zionist civilians during a war is starting to sound pretty war-crimey. We should only be killing Zionist soldiers.
If someone, in the course of WWII, said “kill all Nazis”, would you feel the same?
Keeping in mind Nazism, like Zionism, is a political identity one chooses…
Schindler, the list guy, was a Nazi. And he saved a thousand Jewish people from the Nazis. I don’t think Schindler ought have been killed. Plus there’s Operation Paperclip. They recruited Nazi scientists to work at NASA and help get a man on the moon. I’m not educated enough to understand the full ramifications of Paperclip, but it seems like a decent idea.
But all of that is kinda besides the point, because Netanyahu has a very different propaganda strategy to Hitler. A more sophisticated one. Netanyahu wants there to be extremists who would see him dead. He funded Hamas during the last Gazan election, because of their violent rhetoric. There is serious evidence that he and the government knew about October 7 and deliberately allowed it to happen by suspending the border patrols during the crucial hours. He’s got a plan.
Israel thrives on the violent rhetoric of its opponents, because they want to call us terrorists. That is why we must conduct ourselves with the appropriate restraint to beat these allegations. Luminous’ rhetoric sounds terrorist-y. They’re advocating for the killing of civilians. That’s terrorism. We need to be better than that, or we can’t win the propaganda war and gather allies.
I mean this pretty much avoids the question by invoking the idea that because there was some Nazis you approve of, something something… I fail to see the relevance. It sure sounds like apologetics.
You then proceed to moralize about the efficacy of the critique the stament is making, but you didn’t actually address the question.
Your argument is basically “Don’t be critical of Zionists or Israelis, because that plays into their five d chess”.
Now, put yourself in the position of the period immediately before WWII, and in your response, replace the word Israel with the word Nazi Germany.
Would you still agree with your statement? Are you comfortable with history remembering you did these kinds of apologetics on behalf of the worst criminals, the most abhorrent people of the time?
Okay, I’ll switch to talking about the big man himself.
It is a wonderful thing that Hitler killed himself. It was a PR blessing for the allies, because it prevented him from becoming a martyr. If Hitler had not killed himself, I do not think he should have been given the death penalty. I am against killing Hitler unless he was an active combatant. I think Hitler should have been given life in prison, because I am against the death penalty in all circumstances. And it would have made him a martyr.
Likewise, Netanyahu should not be killed. He should be given a fair trial, which I believe should reach a verdict of life in prison. I don’t want Netanyahu martyred, I don’t want to spend tons of money on his death row, I just want to put him in a room where he can’t hurt anyone until he dies of old age.
I love it when you fascist lovers out yourself like this.
Ikr? Just for starters, using Operation Paperclip as an example of something good and positive to back up your point, when supposedly your reasoning for defederation is based on the concept of the Nazi bar? That is some seriously wild pro-fash hypocrisy.
That is why we must conduct ourselves with the appropriate restraint to beat these allegations.
On this point and this point alone I reply: No. Do not let the enemy define the terms of the battle. In the US, the Democrats need to not placate the fascists. Again, I am solely discussing the words I quoted, not the larger topic of zionists or the lemmy thing.
… I’m pretty sure both Democrats and Republicans are fascists. The Democrats want to exploit and enslave weaker nations for the benefit of the “lower” class and the Republicans want the spoils of war to go to the middle class. Both funnel resources to the upper class, so in that regard they aren’t different.
I don’t really have an opinion about this one way or the other, but it’s two sides of the same coin. Despite their different rhetoric, they are ultimately one and the same. I’ve just accepted the fact that I am probably fascist. Honesty is necessary for change.
I’m against the death penalty and I’m against targeting civilians during a war. Those aren’t the enemy’s terms of battle, those are My beliefs and values.
You’re replying out of the scope of my quote and reply. Which is your right, but means I have no further reply at this time.
This is honestly pathetic. If the admins want to have an argument at least leave everyone else out of it. Defederation should be an absolute last resort not your first port of call when someone disagrees with you
100%
It’s always admin drama that leads to this. Look at any of the major instance defederations and it is always a disagreement that isn’t resolved because the egos of the admins involved almost immediately turn the conversation into ‘agree with me or else’ instead of any kind of real dialog.
In this case, the person calling for murder in their username was removed as an admin so the issue seems resolved.
Well, in this case it seems really out of place to defederate. But otherwise i like to think that defederation is something that you could use more than in last resort : yes it breaks the network, but the network should also work as broken, that’s one of the strenght of federation to me. I’m not a technical person and still a newbie, so i might be missing important bits, don’t hesitate to correct me if this is the case, but i felt like sharing another point of view.
Defederating violent antisemites is 100% resonable. You cannot call for violence against people for perceived Zionism. Instance admins included.
Antizionism is not antisemitism and never will be.
So ban that user, you don’t need to defederate an entire instance over it even if they are an admin (unless they use their admin privileges to circumvent the ban). And they’re not even an admin anymore
dbzer0 admin policy supports and encouages this behavior. That is why they must be defederated. Their instance policy promotes antisemitic violence.
I’m not convinced that’s true
Lemmy.org is a trolls instance, with unvetted user signups. You are obviously a fake account pushing a single agenda, and should be banned.
the tea is all over yepowertrippinbastards, and i gotta say i agree with the prevailing sentiment. mrkaplan is making a bad move, but its indicative of a pattern of politically based moderation that pervades .world.
but its indicative of a pattern of politically based moderation
No, you know what, keep the typo; it’s correct.
it’s not a typo, but I can see the syntax is unclear
despite pretending neutrality, .world bases it’s moderation on political motivations
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love when they try to poison the well and encourage dog piling. shows they are truly grounded in good faith. /s
Everyone bases their decisions on political motivations, it’s part of being a political species.
sure, but why didn’t the admins just advertise their real politics instead of pretending they aren’t prozionist
Not everyone. I dont make choices based on politics, because I do not engage with or participate in politics as best I can. Especially here on Lemmy.
As a mod for .world/c/cars, I only make choices based on the rules of the community and instance. I might not agree with a post or comment, but if it isn’t breaking the rules then I don’t do anything about it, and if its reported content then I will just close the report. Admittedly, its pretty low traffic so I haven’t needed to do much, and the other mod is great and handles things usually before I need to get involved.
I believe it is the responsibility of a mod, admin, or other figure in a position of power to not abuse that power. Fair and equal application of rules, extending the benefit of the doubt but still firm about the rules, etc. are ways to avoid this IMO, so that is what I try to do.
Someone having a different opinion or belief should never be a reason for mod action, even if I think that opinion or belief is wrong. Unless it is against the rules (or clearly dangerous such as suggesting drinking bleach for any reason), it should be allowed to be said. Users shouldnt be afraid to have posts removed at random or because I dont agree with them. Sometimes this means a new rule needs to be made, and thats okay.
You make decisions for your community based on the rules. There’s another word for rules: policies. You make decisions based on the policies. That’s politics. What I think is going on here is, you don’t make decisions based on external politics, just internal politics.
despite pretending neutrality, .world bases it’s moderation on political motivations
Do you wanna just get the “muh freeze peach” part over while you’re at it and save us some time? You just say they’ve feigned neutrality but then never back it up because a) you know it’s provably horseshit, and b) it doesn’t matter because you’re trying to separate things into political and apolitical categories that fundamentally do not exist and – as we all know from conservatives pulling this schtick for decades – only hurt the victim by silencing what you determine to be “political” speech and actions.
Yes, it’s political that an instance admin called for another instance’s admin to be killed; yes, it’s political to defederate from them in the sense that everything about social media and group dynamics generally is inherently political; no, I don’t think it being political is a bad thing like you’re pretending to. I’m sure you haven’t raised a squeak whenever an instance would choose to defederate from a hateful, far-right cesspit; the reality is that the person feigning care about neutrality here is you.
Edit: Oh, they moderate a Jill Stein community. Their unhinged behavior below makes way more sense now.
you know, you don’t have to defend the admins. they’re not going to suck you off.
wow, this screed doesn’t at all debunk the accusation of overt pro-zionist moderation
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jill stein is anti Zionist, too
Dropped that whole “political” thing like a rock, didn’t you? You never said anything about “pro-Zionist moderation”; your only two comments that I replied to were whinging about “politically based” and “political motivations”, and now you’re pivoting with no acknowledgement, because you’re fundamentally arguing in bad faith.
If your problem is their specific politics, you can be upfront about that, but you deliberately chose not to, and you’ve proven discussion with you is not worth anyone’s time because of it.
zionism is obviously a political position, and the mods have feigned impartiality about it while moderating anti Zionist sentiment away. you are splitting hairs and it’s unbecoming. your shitty attitude is also damaging your case here.
your shitty attitude is also damaging your case here.
Tone policing too – as though I need my argument to be compelling to somebody who intentionally layers their argument under conservative-style misdirection, and pretending as though failing to mince words to your liking hurts the credibility of my argument.
Edit: Policing my tone out one side of your mouth while remarking “[the admins aren’t] going to suck you off” out the other is so pathetically expected.
you’ve proven discussion with you is not worth anyone’s time
Zionism is bad tho
Zionism is bad, Ethnonationalism is bad, Murder is bad, War crimes are bad, Genocide is bad, Racism is bad
Many of the people involved in this conversation are toxic assholes who need to touch grass.
Only reasonable take in this entire thread.
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The Jewish people having a homeland where we are safe is not bad. Saying it is is antisemitic as fuck. Jewish people are oppressed and in danger all over the world. We deserve a home to feel safe in.
The home you want was stolen from someone else. Palestinians deserve their land and to not be genocided by 20th century colonisers.
Jewish people live in safety all over the world, far more safety than in a country that routinely puts it citizens in harms way via committing wars of conquest and slaughter.
It was our ancestral home which was stolen from us after centuries of antisemitic violence.
And before that someone else lived there. Something that happened thousands of years ago does not matter in this day and age.
That’s fine, but zionism is not only that. The problem is kicking out everybody else and/or stripping them off the rights you afford yourselves. If zionism only meant “Jews move to places they feel safe” nobody would have a problem
It is antisemitic people who have a problem with Jews being safe.
I don’t have a problem with that, I just told you. Go troll someone else
Have you considered raising this with the admin team before defederating?? Or with your userbase?? I don’t wanna hear shit about hexbear is aUtHoRiTaRiAaAaAn when they have a vote before defederation instead of just throwing a tantrum and reflexively defederating a whole-ass instance because of personal drama between two admins.
Yup, this guy gets it. This decision is bad enough that I think the admin who did it should be removed. Someone in a position of high authority should be held to a HIGHER standard, not a lower one; if there is significant distrust, even if it’s from less than a majority of the userbase, they should be removed.
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Have you considered not being Zionists
Just so I get this right, you defederated an entire instance because a singular user has lost it and called for violence?
We’re currently discussing how we will proceed with this situation
Block the mod on your personal list, don’t defederate?
It was not a mod, it was the full-on admin team. Hence defederation rather than mere blocking.
it was a single admin.
Literally misinformation kept up because the admins like it. But sure, Serinus isn’t biased.
It was a single admin, you liar.
So wait you’re just defeterating an entire instance just because the arch Zionist of this instance is having a bitch fit? I’d rather just get rid of him. Can we do that instead?
Just delete your Lemmy.world account and switch to another server.
Yeah but my way punishes the fascist loving asshole so… seems better.
Also why shouldn’t the .world users get to have a voice? Go through this thread they don’t like this Zionist piece of shit. Overwhelmingly so. So fuck him and fuck the little toads that defend him.
Also why shouldn’t the .world users get to have a voice?
i mean, they never had one to begin with, when was the last time the admins did a vote or follow popular consensus? the admins has shown they dont really care if they are unpopular
Well then I reserve the right to bitch as loudly as I want then.
But it’s unlikely that the admin team is gonna do anything
Well then it’s unlikely I’m going to stop complaining.
Nah let’s just bail on this popsicle stand, it’s clearly for losers. Let’s go be cool on anarchist instead 😎
Deleting your reddit.world account punishes them too, because the fewer people that use that instance the less important their moderation decision are.
Because the admins of .world are Zionist pigs. They train dogs to rape people. You think they care about free speech? Zionism thrives on censorship, lies, and narrative control. So of course, they wouldn’t mind censoring the users. Just let the instance die.
That’s an excellent idea. Everyone who disagrees should move to anarchist. Let’s get out of here!
It’s only ok when Zionists murder other people, not the other way round.
This is exactly why no one takes you people seriously. The answer is “no”. Hope that helps 👍
Oh no someone said something controversial on the internet, what ever will we do?
Remember when world nuked the piracy community lol.
Unless that instance is causing brigading, what’s the point of banning over a former admin with such a tame username.
The Lemmy.world team are Zionists. It is a direct death threat against them. We all know internet names are legitimate. MrKaplan has had to go into hiding due to fear for his life.
Threatening people for being in favor of Israel isn’t acceptable and I would say it is antisemitic too. We deserve the right to have a safe homeland which we’ve never had before. These idiots wish to take it away from us so we won’t be safe anymore.
Committing genocide against Palestinians, invading Lebanon, bombing Syria, and murdering Iranians isn’t acceptable.
No one deserves to steal others land.
No one deserves to steal others land.
I agree. Israel was our home long before the arabs took it from us. No one should steal land from others.
So give the land back to the Natufian Culture if you care about ancestral claims so much.
I think the admins should get over it. Defederating anyone with opposing views is not helping anyone. I especially don’t expect this from World. This is not a real threat and you know it.
Wishing somebody to be murdered is not an “opposing view”. These things can have real world consequences and you know it.
Death to zionists is like saying death to nazis. Oh no real consequences
It’s only ok when Zionists wish an entire nation of millions of people to be murdered and continue to do so every day. The other way round is not acceptable.
Lemmy.world not beating the allegations of harboring Zionists
Because they never remove Zionist advocates
Honestly, with comments in this thread being removed by mods and the delays and prevarifications over this defederation, I’m starting to think LW is run by children.
Do better.
It is impressive and sad to see how much one of them, ie the one removing comments, is trying to argue it’s everyone else’s fault they are abusing power.
Also unsurprisingly actual bad comments are left up
It’s mostly half a dozen very loud people who have a particular agenda.
The previously defederated instance has 165 total accounts, lifetime.
Oh well as long as you’re only bullying small instances. Carry on!
Wouldn’t want to ban Lemmy.ml for saying Zionists should die. Would you?
Bigger means stronger and that means it’s justified!
The previously defederated instance has 165 total accounts
The heck does that have to do with anything?
I’m embarrassed I donated $10 on the last donation ask if these two are the quality of admins Lemmy tolerates.
I’m outie.
So it’s okay because you’re bigger than them, got it. Have you guys defederated from HilariousChaos yet? Or is the open Nazi talk comfortable with you?
