The long fight to make Apple’s iMessage compatible with all devices has raged with little to show for it. But Google (de facto leader of the charge) and other mobile operators are now leveraging the European Union’s Digital Market Act (DMA), according to the Financial Times. The law, which goes into effect in 2024, requires that “gatekeepers” not favor their own systems or limit third parties from interoperating within them. Gatekeepers are any company that meets specific financial and usage qualifications, including Google’s parent company Alphabet, Apple, Samsung and others.

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    On the tech side, Android users also get lower-quality photos and videos when they’re sent through iMessage.

    Android users don’t receive anything at all through iMessage; the whole conversation becomes SMS/MMS. I suppose getting major, relevant tech details is hard for an outlet like Engadget.

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      Low quality SMS. There are lots of things Apple could do to improve the experience of texting people without iMessage, lots of things built into the SMS standard that they do t implement.

      Edit: wow thought this was commonly known. Basically Apple hasn’t adopted industry standard SMS improvements. There’s a whole campaign to try to get them to. Here’s an article explaining https://www.android.com/get-the-message/

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      when they’re sent through iMessage.

      Android users don’t receive anything at all through iMessage

      Your whole argument is based on failing to distinguish sending from receiving. You understand those are different things, right?

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        There is nothing to distinguish here. iMessage is the protocol and messaging platform. An iMessage sent remains as an iMessage when received. Android users are not sent and do not receive iMessages. They are sent SMS/MMS and they receive SMS/MMS. If all of the iMessage servers exploded right now, nothing at all would change in Apple to Android messaging because iMessage was never involved.

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      I think you’re just being pedantic here.

      I’m pretty sure they meant when messages are sent using the iMessage app - from the point of view of iPhone user distinction between iMessage protocol and SMS/MMS doesn’t matter.

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        The app is called Messages. The entire point of the article is to discuss iMessages versus SMS so I absolutely do think it’s important to get the distinction right in this case.

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    All I want is to be able to message people using discord through Signal. Or from Messages to Whatsapp. And just be able to send and receive decent quality videos between iMessage and non-imessage users.

    It’s so annoying having to juggle so many different messaging apps just to talk to people.

    Why can’t it be like email?

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    Google and company can go fuck themselves on this one, and I’m usually the first one to bash on Apple for selling overpriced status symbols.

    I’m frankly amazed at how much importance Google gives iMessage, when it’s not the number 1 messaging app anywhere in the world. Hell, even if you assume Apple halved its report of monthly active users in Europe, that’s 90 million people in Europe. Significant, but less than 25% of the total population of the EU

    Outside USA and Canada, you’ll be hard pressed to find people who give a damn about iMessage, because most are using a different, cross compatible app anyway, like Whatsapp or Telegram, even across most European countries.

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      SMS would basically be dead if Apple adopted RCS, that’s why it’s important. SMS needs to die.

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    Although, I get the argument and sure go ahead and do it.

    I have to laugh at Google calling for the regulation of Apples monopoly but are happy to maintain their monopolies.

    It’s be like Apple calling out Bowers & Wilkins for high prices.

    Or Bezos calling for more piss breaks for Walmart staff.

    Glass houses and stones.

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      That’s how corporations think. For them the law is just a set of weapons against their competitors.

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    Oh, now you want Europe’s strong arm? Google? Now? Fuck off, you yankee!

    EDIT: Also, we European literally don’t care. Everyone is using Whatsapp or Telegram. There’s no “Blue vs green bubble” war here in Europe, only America can get angry on such idiocy.

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      Let’s be clear - only a subset of Americans care about the bubbles. And it’s annoying to the rest of us too.

      The iMessage approach is the obvious solution, Google had a competitor over 10 years ago and killed it. Signal took the same approach and killed SMS just this year.

      It’s frustrating, because US has the particular problem of SMS being ubiquitous because it became zero-additional-cost for most people by about 2005. The same mindset that keeps people on SMS also creates the blue-bubble nonsense: ease of use and not having to think about it. Signal was making inroads on this, makes me wonder why they stopped supporting SMS.

      I have friends who say “I don’t want to have to think about where to message someone”. Oh, ffs, do you struggle with calling their home/work/cell, or choosing to email or send a letter?

      So yea, it’s not America vs the rest of the world, it’s us vs the complacent/unaware.