Do y’all not reboot after kernel/firmware updates?
part of the reason to use Debian is it doesn’t really need to be updated, at least not very often
It needs to be updated at least several times a year…
depends on your use case
home automation server that doesn’t connect to the internet? nah
media server that only occasionally gets connected to the internet? maybe
anything else that regularly connects to the internet, definitely
home automation server that doesn’t connect to the internet?
Well if uses wireless connectivity with either range broader than your place or is connected to a device that is itself online it can still be a risk. Sure it’s very VERY specific but scanning techniques also improve.
You should install updates regardless
if it’s working and there’s no security risk, why?
(I mean, I actually agree with you, I update even normally airgapped machines because them not being updated feels wrong)
Software these days will always need security patches
What’s more is that the longer you put off updating the more things will be changed when you do end up updating.
Can I introduce you to OpenBSD where we measure uptime in years?
I’ve been running the same AIX kernel since 1993, and my ftp server is still running fine. I don’t know what the rest of these assholes are complaining about.
Prefect response.
I can’t guess exaclty which sarcastic high fantasy themed poster, mug or t-shirt warns others away from which exact kind of action that wastes your time, but I’m confident it is present near your primary work space. (Since tone is hard in text - this assumption is meant to convey a general revernce for you and the various roles you probably fill in your communities!)
Say what now?
Hmm, not my proudest moment.
16:09:15 up 1031 daysPrivate server, though.
I don’t follow CVEs: when was the last time a remotely exploitable kernel bug was a concern? Ignoring the fact that this is a home server and they likely care about uptime a lot more than exploitation on their LAN.
Generally I expect kernel bugs to be LPEs so updating user space would probably be sufficient for most home servers
Almost 44 days last year before I needed to reboot for an update:
Wait, you guys reboot after an update?
Rolling distros don’t need to
You absolutely do need to reboot
Are you sure? I’ve used Fedora Workstation and Fedora Server, I had to reboot. And Cannonical charges money for this feature in Ubuntu.
Having high uptime is not the flex you think it is
You shouldn’t have uptime higher than 60 days
Yeah these days a high uptime is a mark of shame, not a badge of honour.
Maybe they’re kexec-ing.
uptime should be handled by the kernel, so a kexec “soft-reboot” would still reset the uptime.
I tried telling this to my manager for years. He saw it as a “X days since we last had a problem and needed to reboot the server” and took pride in it.
We finally shut it down at over 5 years of uptime. Some docker containers had been running for 4 years straight.
Yes, that means what you think it does concerning update policies. Yes, the server and some containers were exposed to the internet. No, the backups were never tested.
“Shutdown off”
All your base distribution are belong to
Hahahahaha
“Openup on’t”
“Shutdown off”
Startup’nt
It’s an alias for “sudo shutdown now”.
sudo poweroff
Well proxmox is based on Debian so it’s technically included in the original meme
Yes
I just power off the containers. If it causes an issue, it’s so easy and fast to restore from backup, in the long run it saves time versus waiting on clean shutdowns for all 10 or so.
🌟🎀 uptime check ✨🌈💖
22:09:13 up 9 days, 12:29, 2 users, load average: 0.03, 0.05, 0.11EDIT: wait why does it say 2 users though 😳
It’s probably your mom.
Linus Torvalds is just making sure you’re Linuxing correctly
That’s for your daily driver desktop right? Right??
11:13:30 up 1 day, 17:21, 1 user, load average: 0.25, 0.16, 0.11My e-peen isn’t as big as yours D:
Regular files check by your FBI agent.
Ironically, this was one of the primary reasons I have a UPS on everything. The uptime must grow.
If you don’t have a UPS, just use a suicide cable to energize the circuit while it is disconnected at the breaker.
(/s, if the term suicide cable wasn’t enough of a hint; don’t actually do this)
i know the OP was about server, but just curious how long is every one’s uptime on laptop / desktop?
but just curious how long is every one’s uptime on laptop / desktop?
Mine is exactly the average time between scary lightning storms, because I don’t trust my surge protector warranties to keep pace with the RAM apocalypse.
I’ve had a year or two. But kernel updates make reboots. My FreeBSD boxes are much more long-lived than Linux because kernel updates
I turn my desktop and laptop of when not in use.
Anything between 5 minutes and 5 days, including those numbers as well. The more you approach the midpoint between those 2 numbers, the odds of that being near my uptime are lower
I use one of these lithium power stations as a UPS for my servers. They are all low wattage so they’ll run on backup for a few hours.
https://itechworld.com.au/products/ps800-portable-lithium-power-station-800w-40ah
Just wear rubber boots and gloves and leave the electricity on
This is the way. For basic residential shit, basic protection and one hand rule is fine.
I was vacuuming and accidentally pulled the cord on a 3 month uptime.
Ups says it has 8 minutes of runtime, chop chop, get going!
Most APC/Tripplite battery backups can hold a server “up” for a solid 1/2 hour easily while the breaker goes down. They can even be had cheap second hand if you’re willing to replace the cells!
nudgenudgewinkwinksonomoreI’m sorry for your loss. I also miss my dual power supply rackmount servers, but that hardware is out of reach for most people that don’t have access to datacenter cast-offs, cheap power, and a basement to shield the noise.
