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    2 months ago

    This article doesn’t even mention ASML so I consider it pretty moot.

    ASML is the leading international semiconductor machine supplier and is a Dutch company.

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    2 months ago

    To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.

    Actually a good step in the right direction, but it’s not the end.

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    2 months ago

    It is almost like non technical people who can not follow technical advice are making all the decisions.

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      nah it’s not that simple. it’s mostly about cost. chip manufacturing is hella expensive and developing new chip manufacturing techniques is even more expensive. it’s cheaper to do it all in one place in taiwan instead of every country opening its own chip manufacturers. it’s only now due to security considerations that this is changing, but it takes 10 years to build a chip manufacturing site somewhere.

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        Germany is leading in optical computing. Simply why should the EU now invest in a soon to be obsolete technology?

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          hah, calling silicon-based computing “soon to be obsolete” is surely something ;-)

          it’s like calling solar energy a “soon to be obsolete” technology because surely we’ll invent fusion power / small modular reactors in a few years. how many SMRs have been deployed so far?

          where can i buy these optical computers today?

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    I’ve been saying it for years, we need to produce our own chips.

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      Yes. We even have critical companies in the supply chain of chip manufacturing based in Europe, so it’s definitely possible. It doesn’t even need to be as high performing as the big ones. I’d buy it anyway.

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    The real tech revolution won’t be until we can make our own hardware ; enthusiast designed and made processors and semiconductors using consumer grade tools, similar to how you could make your own metal chains out of tools at the hardware store. Until then we’ll be beholden to the billionaire class to grant us access. What I’m saying is we need to make it cheaper and easier to make computers in the first place. No amount software is gonna save you if you don’t have independent hardware.

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    I am not saying this is not an issue, but it feels like the article is at best misunderstanding what sovereign cloud brings even with an ME backdoor under it and how international relations work.

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      Anyone who wouldn’t go with China over Amerisrael a million times over is simply a victim of unbelievable volume of propaganda.

      The US is by far the single worst, most oppressive country on the planet and it isn’t even close.

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      Europe, especially Germany, has been very vocal and very active, a making sure that their software is sovereign.

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      2 months ago

      Ah yes of course, only real Americans know how to write good software - like Windows and Teams. /s

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        That’s not what I’m saying. They forgot that cloud compute isn’t the only area where America holds EU by the balls. It’s also the software. You can set up 500 data centers all over Europe and companies still won’t migrate away from M365 or GWorkspace. Cloud compute is good, but there also needs to be an effort to reverse engineer American technology and start offering alternatives.