Regardless of whether or not its worthy of discussion, this is heavily AI assisted at least, and GrapheneOS does not allow “walls of verbose text” (which this certainly is…) generated by AI.
Maybe if this person cared enough to follow the forum rules there could be discussion on this topic.
Yeah, a lot of this is undisclosed LLM drivel. Also, the “author” fails to mention or consider that none of the scummy logging/control services would be running in GrapheneOS in the first place. It’s irrelevant.
Curiously enough, for years and years the main criticism of GrapheneOS is that it only runs on Google Pixel phones. Finally, they announce they will work with another provider, Motorola. Some people proceed to simply forecast enshitification, spyware, and ads. I don’t think this is sane at all.
makes sense that they’d remove it from their forums if it has nothing to do with graphene. not a single point relevant to the OS
We’re really comparing a burner to whatever Graphene is developing with Moto? Also, points deducted for the “owned by China bad” talking point.
R u kidding me
This is true, Motorola devices send really weird info to motpaks.com and motpks.com. Can’t uninstall the PAKS application. That’s why I use my LineageOS Xiaomi Redmi Note 9s.
Edit: some stuff from the app:
adb shell dumpsys package com.motorola.paks | grep permission declared permissions: requested permissions: android.permission.CHANGE_NETWORK_STATE com.motorola.permission.ACCESS_PRODUCT_PERSIST android.permission.READ_PRIVILEGED_PHONE_STATE android.permission.RECEIVE_BOOT_COMPLETED android.permission.ACCESS_KEYGUARD_SECURE_STORAGE android.permission.DEVICE_POWER android.permission.MANAGE_USERS android.permission.CHANGE_WIFI_STATE android.permission.OEM_UNLOCK_STATE com.motorola.actions.provider.permission.READ_MODES com.motorola.actions.provider.permission.WRITE_MODES com.motorola.permission.WRITE_SECURE_SETTINGS com.motorola.permission.PAKS_BIND_PERMISSION android.permission.INSTALL_PACKAGES android.permission.DELETE_PACKAGES android.permission.MANAGE_DEVICE_ADMINS android.permission.MANAGE_PROFILE_AND_DEVICE_OWNERS android.permission.START_ACTIVITIES_FROM_BACKGROUND android.permission.INTERACT_ACROSS_USERS android.permission.QUERY_ALL_PACKAGES android.permission.INTERNET android.permission.ACCESS_NETWORK_STATE android.permission.MANAGE_NETWORK_POLICY android.permission.MANAGE_ROLE_HOLDERS install permissions: com.motorola.permission.PAKS_BIND_PERMISSION: granted=true com.motorola.actions.provider.permission.READ_MODES: granted=true android.permission.INSTALL_PACKAGES: granted=true android.permission.CHANGE_NETWORK_STATE: granted=true android.permission.RECEIVE_BOOT_COMPLETED: granted=true com.motorola.actions.provider.permission.WRITE_MODES: granted=true android.permission.MANAGE_ROLE_HOLDERS: granted=true android.permission.DEVICE_POWER: granted=true android.permission.MANAGE_PROFILE_AND_DEVICE_OWNERS: granted=true android.permission.INTERNET: granted=true android.permission.READ_PRIVILEGED_PHONE_STATE: granted=true android.permission.ACCESS_KEYGUARD_SECURE_STORAGE: granted=true android.permission.CHANGE_WIFI_STATE: granted=true android.permission.MANAGE_USERS: granted=true android.permission.ACCESS_NETWORK_STATE: granted=true android.permission.INTERACT_ACROSS_USERS: granted=true android.permission.OEM_UNLOCK_STATE: granted=true android.permission.MANAGE_DEVICE_ADMINS: granted=true com.motorola.permission.WRITE_SECURE_SETTINGS: granted=true android.permission.MANAGE_NETWORK_POLICY: granted=true android.permission.START_ACTIVITIES_FROM_BACKGROUND: granted=true android.permission.QUERY_ALL_PACKAGES: granted=true android.permission.DELETE_PACKAGES: granted=true runtime permissions:adb shell pm disable-user --user 0 com.motorola.paks Exception occurred while executing 'disable-user': java.lang.SecurityException: Cannot disable a protected package: com.motorola.paks at com.android.server.pm.PackageManagerService.setEnabledSettings(PackageManagerService.java:4308) at com.android.server.pm.PackageManagerService.-$$Nest$msetEnabledSettings(PackageManagerService.java:0) at com.android.server.pm.PackageManagerService$IPackageManagerImpl.setApplicationEnabledSetting(PackageManagerService.java:6340) at com.android.server.pm.PackageManagerShellCommand.runSetEnabledSetting(PackageManagerShellCommand.java:2489) at com.android.server.pm.PackageManagerShellCommand.onCommand(PackageManagerShellCommand.java:273) at com.android.modules.utils.BasicShellCommandHandler.exec(BasicShellCommandHandler.java:97) at android.os.ShellCommand.exec(ShellCommand.java:38) at com.android.server.pm.PackageManagerService$IPackageManagerImpl.onShellCommand(PackageManagerService.java:6992) at android.os.Binder.shellCommand(Binder.java:1068) at android.os.Binder.onTransact(Binder.java:888) at android.content.pm.IPackageManager$Stub.onTransact(IPackageManager.java:4374) at com.android.server.pm.PackageManagerService$IPackageManagerImpl.onTransact(PackageManagerService.java:6976) at android.os.Binder.execTransactInternal(Binder.java:1344) at android.os.Binder.execTransact(Binder.java:1275)The DNS calls:
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Graphene is open source so what’s up with your panic?
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The base OS of Android is, but the widely dispersed version maintained by Google with the hardware drivers required for it to work with the actual hardware is not.
That’s why projects like Graphene can’t work on every phone. They have to rely on either reverse engineering hardware drivers or the manufacturers providing the drivers. For many years, Google openly released the drivers for all the hardware in their Pixel line of phones, which allowed Graphene and other customized versions of Android to easily work on Pixel phones.
Manufacturers usually don’t release drivers separately and instead they’re only available built into the manufacturers customized Android version. Android Open Source Project is the open source base, then Google builds their proprietary stuff on top as “Android”, then the various phone manufacturers build their own versions on top of Google’s “Android” with: manufacturer specific crud added, phone specific crud added, and often phone carrier specific crud added.
