This post contains content related to media piracy. I couldn’t find any rules for this community and I don’t know if it’s allowed. I accept the risk of getting this post taken down or being banned without knowing the rules.
With that small disclaimer out of the way, let’s tackle my question.
I’m a simple self hoster: I have single server made out of an Optiplex 3060 Micro (i5 8500T, 32GB, 14TB of storage in one drive), I use duckdns instead of a real domain and I have no supporting infrastructure. I don’t really like watching things, I set up arr stack mainly because everyone says it’s the best thing to use a homelab for.
My family have strong opinions on piracy and I know for a fact they wouldn’t use my jellyfin, even if I tried to manipulate them, which btw is a really bad practice (if it’s as common as responses under posts about getting people to use your homelab suggest).
I also have hard time getting them to even allow me to run my homelab (I’m a teenager, I live with my parents), because it takes space and uses power (for context idle is around 8W).
As I said, I don’t watch things that often and even if I watch, I’m extremely monothematic, I watch basically only AOT and sometimes some random popular movie.
I understand that my situation is quite unique, but I find it hard to argue for Jellyfin+arrs when fmhy and countless reliable streaming sites exists.
I already made my mind, I’ll stop using those services today. I’m interested how others look at this “problem” tho.
Are you hosting arr stack/plex/jellyfin?
How much is it utilized (in watch hours/week for example, mine was less than 2/week)?
Have you considered not using it?
If you stopped using it and went back, what happened, why did you change your mind?
im a simple user
I don’t really like watching things
then this shit aint for you. just because you can do something doesnt mean you have to want to do it.
im old and have been doing this for almost 30 years. long before jellyfin; my kids never suffered commercials, never had to worry about some streaming service going up or down. they never had to care whether some source had the show they wanted. even when away from home, they were streaming my shit.
my very large curated collection may be less random than some iptv streams, but sure as fuck is more reliable, dependable, quality controlled and well, i dont even need to have fucking internet access for my shit (my library) to work for me.
Is your next post going to be in a baking comm asking people if they have considered just buying a loaf at the grocery? Its an important life lesson to get early that its OK that other people have different tastes and priorities than you do.
Welcome to Lemmy!
Thanks!
its OK that other people have different tastes and priorities than you do
There is a great book on this called the ‘The Let Them Theory’ by Mel Robbins. Stop wasting energy on things you can’t control and stop comparing yourself to other people.
She stole that whole bit from someone else’s poem. Check it out.
nice try fbi
My still-learning-to-read children are able to use it. They’d be unable to navigate a streaming site even if I trusted them to do so.
Now that it’s set up, the maintenance is negotiable. I can just browse my TV shows to see what new episode has aired.
I couldn’t find any rules for this community and I don’t know if it’s allowed.
Its allowed up to the limits of the lemmy.world TOS, so no direct links, discussion is fine.
mainly because everyone says it’s the best thing to use a homelab for.
Great for self-hosting if its something you use. Not really a homelab thing, these two things are not necessarily the same either. My hosted services for the family are entirely segregated from my lab, which does a very different job.
How much is it utilized (in watch hours/week for example, mine was less than 2/week)?
Over the past 30 days… Up to 6 streams at a time, 15 days worth of streaming hours.
Great for self-hosting if its something you use. Not really a homelab thing, these two things are not necessarily the same either. My hosted services for the family are entirely segregated from my lab, which does a very different job.
My thoughts exactly. OP should look for something else to host on the homelab, there’s plenty out there.
Over the past 30 days… Up to 6
Nice, how many users?
Just family, but everyone has their own home. So my moms house, brothers house, sisters apt, BILs, F/MIL, etc.
Videos of dance recitals and such just went up too, so thats probably about 8 hours of watching this week alone.
Sorry for going on a tangent, but what exactly are your family’s opinion on piracy? I understand that they do not agree with piracy, but why? I have never seen any common person saying no to free stuff like that.
Piracy is bad because it’s stealing, illegal (I live in Poland, a country with almost no practical restrictions whatsoever and I personally know my ISP, my parents are good friends with them) and “there can be some problems”.
Piracy isn’t stealing. Stealing deprives someone else of something. Piracy doesn’t deprive anyone else of access, it creates wider access. That’s copyright infringement, not stealing.
If there’s no restrictions, then how is it illegal? What problems can there be? The rest of this doesn’t make a ton of sense.
Unless you’re watching your shows on Netflix, or other commercial streaming services, then you’re committing piracy too. ‘Streaming’ a show is just downloading it and them immediately deleting it.
Piracy is downloading/making a copy of a piece of media that you’re not licensed to copy. It doesn’t become less illegal because you delete it.
If you’re against piracy then you should not be streaming content that you haven’t paid for.
I suppose some people like to collect stuff. You’re right that it’s easy to access mainstream stuff, but once you decide to watch some less known movie - especially an old one - you may struggle to find it. Even with somewhat popular movies there are things like extended/director’s cuts, remasters, re-releases, etc. So I get it.
With that said, I watch on average one movie per week, so android tv with a video player that can browse a samba share is more than enough for me.
It sounds like it’s just not worth it for you, and that’s totally fine! Plenty of people get by just fine with using random streaming sites.
Personally, I want something more reliable, I want to have copies of what I watch in my possession that cannot be taken down, and I want to share this with others so that my friends can benefit from my time investment instead of using a solution that only works for me. So that if my friends ask me “where do you get your stuff” I can offer to share with them at 0 extra effort instead of telling them “go do all these things that I already did”
As for usage, I only watch a few hours a week myself, but I share with 15-20 friends and family who watch a collective 160 hours a month last year and around 360 hours a month this year (about 15 days of watch time per month).
I have a fairly comprehensive arrstack, torrents and Usenet, seerr, Plex and jellyfin side by side with identical media mounts for maximum user choice, running on a nuc with quicksync so it handles 8+ simultaneous 1080p live transcodes without using much power or increasing CPU usage much more than 5-10%.
I only use Jellyfin because we want to watch it on the TV and not on the laptop.
So ,use HDMI cable or mirror cast
Or Jellyfin…
Some people don’t want their living room to look like set decoration in an 80s hacker film. Not all of us are single dudes who sleep on a mattress on the floor
Welcome back from the coma, grandpa! We stopped calling computers “mainframes” a good while ago and started shrinking them so they’d comfortably fit behind a TV screen, in a drawer or some place else that’s out of sight. You’ll be amazed once you see it all…
Apparently they forgot to teach you about context in reading class, this thread was about plugging a laptop into your television.
You must have the tiniest of sofas inside the tiniest of living rooms to be disturbed by a simple laptop. But to each their own, I guess.
Some of us have kids who absolutely love dangling wires
Well, make sure your interiour decoratour knows about media players which are about the size of a Visa Black card.
Yeah, maybe tell the guy who suggested plugging the laptop into the TV INSTEAD OF USING A MEDIA PLAYER.
You know, the guy I was responding to.
This site is populated by the illiterate.
Yeah, maybe tell the guy who suggested plugging the laptop into the TV INSTEAD OF USING A MEDIA PLAYER.
Oh goodness, you’re right.
Thank you for your valuable contribution to the Selfhosted community. We in the Selfhosted community always looking for like minded people who absolutely abhor technology, that’s why we’re here in the Selfhosted community. We here at the Selfhosted community are just aghast at all of the newcomers who are constantly trying to make use use “electronics” like some NERD who lives in their parents basement.
Thank you for sticking up for home decour, it is an important part of our lives which simply cannot simply be brushed aside because someone (probably a NERD) wants to use “technology”. Like I always say, this computer thing is just a passing fad which will never catch on while a stylish living room is forever.
This site is populated by the illiterate.
Yes, there certainly are a lot of clueless people who are unable to comprehend a statement.
I prefer to have a collection that’s mine that I will be able to use even if they lock down the internet someday.
I’ve hosted my own media since before Plex existed. But I understand that almost all of my video is “collection”, not actually useful.
My server was useful for about 5 years when my kids were young and it provided all their shows without ads.
I’m starting to delete stuff.
What is AOT? Attack on Titan?
I reccomended maintainerr for deleting stuff
Thanks but as I said, it’s about the collecting, not the watching. I captured/filtered/converted shows like Buzz Lightyear of Star Command for my nephew 25 years ago. I’m not going to delete it despite that no one is watching it or will watch it for decades (maybe when nephew has kids or if I have grandkids). It’s not even available on any streaming.
I think if I ran maintainerr, it would tell me to delete everything except the home videos that my mother in law likes to watch.
That came out 25 years ago?
…
Fuck.
Yep, attack on titan, arguably the best show ever made.
Here is a few off the top of my mind:
Streaming services take away content all the time, license expired and goes to another service.
Streaming services do not have everything, they are actually quite limited on content.
Streaming services often remove episodes from seasons, so you don’t even get all the episodes.
Pirate streaming sites go down all the time as governments crack down.
Streaming services cost more and more and more, with less and less content.
Some media is only available on older mediums such as VHS (and never came out on dvd, streaming, etc) but pirates have archived these rare movies.
You might feel like the world is available to you online, but I have been around since the start of the internet and have seen many, many things go the way of the dodo 🦤. Things go away. Websites gone, files gone, laws change, etc. if you’re not archiving it, you may never see it again.
Those services get shut down randomly by cops and money problems. My local server doesn’t get shutdown.
Mine regularly gets shut down by my skill level. 🤦♂️
testing in production builds character
I want to meet the person who has a dev environment for their home media server. That man is my hero.
If you aren’t a big consumer of shows and movies, just use the free services if they fill the need for you. Personally, I’ve purchased hundreds of movies and TV shows on disc and digitally over the years. Jellyfin lets me put them all in one place for my whole family to access. No need to try to remember what service it’s on or where the disc is.
Fo me, most of this services don’t offer dubbed or good subtitled versions of what I want to watch.
