Pro corporate vote manipulation happening right here in this thread. This is not normal. Regardless of MicroSlop’s good or bad decision if you shared an anti MicroSlop comment it would be upvoted regardless in tje past now quite massive downvotes. And my guess triggered specifically by the word “MicroSlop”.
Microslop
For science!
Edit: Seems to have calmed down and usual vote averages have prevailed. Have to try again another time.
Not surprising. Web search from the Start Menu was always a bad idea.
Hell, I’ve had to deal with users getting their systems compromised because of this idiocy. User typed ‘ms teams’ in the start menu, clicked on the first link and ended up at an attacker’s page which mimicked the official Teams download page. User clicked “Download”, received the trojaned .msi file and ran it.
Sure, there’s some blame to go around in that case (and we finally got some default configuration changes out of it), but the fact that Microslop’s greed led to a malvertising link showing up in a user’s Start Menu is indicative of everything wrong with Windows 11.
User clicked “Download”, received the trojaned .msi file and ran it.
Only bad management is keeping everything from being crazy fast. No reason for today’s programs to be slower than what we had a decade ago.
There’s also a whole lot of abstraction layers in software these days. All kinds of frameworks, no code platforms, scripts and engines ask introduce their own delays when running software, all added to make time to market a bit shorter or just because of some tech fetish.
Windows OS updates and releases aren’t subject to this as it’s closed source
Whether human or machine, external factors are all internally decided
Why do you assume this can’t be an issue in a closed source?
Describe the abstraction layers of a closed source project in the context of Microsoft
You can’t, unless you work for Microsoft
There’s market forces, which is not what you described; rather tooling and nuance specific to software development
When Microsoft controls the input and outputs, it’s a closed loop affected by Microsoft governance, not random tools, systems or transparent inputs
I’m a software engineer at a large company you may not have heard of, but you almost certainly know at least one of their brands. Abstraction layers are all over the place; they’re not a symptom of open-source software, they’re a symptom of lots of modern software.
How do external factors affect closed source systems, when the entire lifecycle is governed by Microsoft
.Net
Ah yes, the open source dotnet as an example of closed source abstractions
You wanted an abstraction layer, I provided one.
Lol, “the C Programming language is an abstraction of assembly and I for one, won’t have it!”
Some of those frameworks and no code platform bloat are because of that. Most are there to make working on large multi team software projects feasible.
It’s not the first time one team makes a module with an API. The other team needs a few lines of data from that module but the filter in the API is bad, so just retrieve millions of rows and apply your own filter to get the two rows. There is no event trigger, so keep polling those two lines every second. Multiply with dozens of modules and a bunch of politics that refuse to make changes and you get a very sluggish application.
Sure yeah, this stuff happens all the time, and often persists until people start noticing the application being sluggish and they go and investigate and fix the slow points.
Alternatively you have tightly integrated software that only one team can work on and it takes years to come out and every time a feature needs to change its another 6 month job of reworking everything, and debugging and fixing security issues is a nightmare.
In most systems, not just computers, there’s a tradeoff between a highly integrated and high performance design, vs a modularized loosely coupled one that’s more adaptable and resilient.
Just look at automotives, Teslas have a unibody design that makes them cheap to build and low weight, that also makes them enormously expensive to repair and impossible to find aftermarket parts for.
Choosing maximally integrated is rarely the best path, there is always a middle ground, and one important difference between the paths is that it’s usually easier to go from modular to integrated than vice versa.
I think many programmers and business models have given up on programs running ‘fast’ but rather they just running and shoving them out quickly. Add in all the AI programming, and I don’t see it getting better. It’s basically like most people when they earn more income. The more speed and memory a computer has, the more programmers will use of it.
A computer from the 80’s starts up a million times faster than any modern computer.
That’s nonsense. Every computer I own boots in under a minute. That was unheard of in the 90s, much less the 80s.
Anecdotes ≠ proof
You realize most computers in the 80’s instantly booted right? Flip power switch and they booted to an internal rom. I’m sorry, are you fairly young?
Computers in the 80s took so long to load anything, I could go out, get some coffee, and come back before they finished, e.g. any Spectrum or Commodore would take 20 minutes to load stuff from the tape drive. Wyse network terminals would leave you hanging for ten minutes and then fail netbooting because some shit with the token ring network.
So, no, they didn’t “instantly boot”.
Except they did instantly boot. I didn’t say anything about how long they took to load a program, and if you had a cartridge, it instantly loaded as well. Have you actually used these computers, or just remember slow tape drives? Not that modern ones are fast by any means either, they just move more data and are prohibitively expensive.
It’s easy to “boot up instantly” when not even the OS is loaded.
Modern BIOS load also instantly. Care to explain what you can do with that?
Apple, Commodore all booted into their OS instantly. Disk drives worked, no BIOS needed. Care to explain what you can do with that? You could easily boot DOS within 40 seconds on a 486. Can’t do that on Windows at all these days and we are talking 30 years later.
What? How is this new? I’ve had web results disabled via the settings for a while now
I don’t know any company named Microsoft. Do you mean Microslop?
If they want to push Bing so hard I wonder why didn’t they just show you the local results first and then asynchronously load Bing suggestions in a separate section. It would make good UX while still promoting their search engine.
Good that it can be disabled though
Because then you get no advertising moneyzzzz
Is Windows open-source yet? Then who cares?
God, could you imagine the unhinged Windows forks you’d get
I can’t wait!
Who gives a fuck? If you still use microslop, you are part of the problem.
As someone who runs Linux on all of his own computers, you’re part of many more problems. Grow up.
I have done this (or had this done by IT) on every Windows 10/11 machine that I have had to use. There has long been a registry tweak to kill the online search and it really does improve the experience.
Please share the tweak
Microslop can still fuck off, too little too late.
Linux does this too. GNOME and KDE both do web searches from the search menu by default (to be more precise they search the app store, which is on the web)
is it ripgrep level of “crazy fast” tho?
It’s far faster. Ripgrep has to search every file exhaustively at query time. Windows Search indexes every file at write time (or a background job) so the search results are near instantaneous … at least, that’s how it used to work. I don’t know what happened to it over the past 5-10 years.
Why can’t ripgrep? “Everything” search does this. https://www.voidtools.com/downloads/
Everything could do this but sometimes you don’t want to.
i.e. you’re trading off the background indexing resource usage for instant search results. On a consumer PC where you’re constantly on it and searching for stuff that’s worth it, on a remote server that you’re logging into to bug fix but is normally just running a headless application it may not be.
NTFS drives have an index built-in. It’s not fit for search, but it comes with a journal and you can update a search index incrementally. That’s what Voidtools Everything does. It’s very fast and doesn’t need a background index. (I assume modern Linux drive formats can do the same)
Oh, is it fast?.. I doubt it. Still background services sucking up all the ram.
