If piracy was a problem I can find them multiple international corporations that are well know for using copyrighted content to train their LLM without paying for it or having permission from the owner of that content.
This is a special kind of irony: someone is lambasting one group for piracy while simultaneously advocating for another group to do essentially the same thing for their own benefit.
They’re not really prosecuting people for piracy, so why would they go after large corporations?
I’m not supporting the idea of pirating data for LLM training. I’m just saying: don’t be a hypocrite simply because a group of people you dislike is doing the same thing you’re doing, for the same reasons.
They’re not really prosecuting people for piracy, so why would they go after large corporations?
One group is poor individuals and the other is a billion/trillion dollar industry that’s basically gloating about pirating at an industrial scale.
Going after individuals for downloading a 4Gb rip of a movie doesn’t make any financial sense but it makes a lot more sense going after companies downloadinh millions of gigabytes and have more than enough money to pay damages
So it’s strange to continue attacking individuals while covering your eyes at the big companies
I’m not attacking anyone, and I’m not covering my eyes to anything.
You basically just proved my point: going after every individual or corporation that pirates isn’t really feasible.
I’m simply pointing out the hypocrisy in the stance itself. It doesn’t matter who’s doing the pirating; the underlying justification is the same. If it’s acceptable for an individual to pirate something because the company no longer sells it, then you can’t suddenly declare that same reasoning unacceptable when a corporation does it for essentially the same reason.
You don’t get to have your cake and eat it too. Either you apply the same standards of criticism and ridicule to individuals and corporations, or your argument doesn’t hold water.
You’re either okay with piracy as a principle, or you’re not. You don’t get to create one standard for individuals and another for corporations simply because you prefer one of them.
Either you apply the same standards of criticism and ridicule to individuals and corporations, or your argument doesn’t hold water.
That’s exactly what I’m doing though. Imagine standing there with a bullhorn shouting that you just downloaded every available movie, show, research paper, news article, etc and you’re now profiting significantly off of it, as an individual. You’d get sued into oblivion if you weren’t sent to prison first.
I still think pirating is okay and that the US twisting the world’s arm to enforce the DMCA is fucking BS but if we have to suffer with it then the billion dollar companies should have to too
Privacy is not ok. People are stealing intellectual property. You can dress it up however you want, but that doesn’t change what is actually happening.
At some point, you have to stop convincing yourself that you’re somehow not breaking the law simply because enforcement is difficult or unlikely. Let’s not beat around the bush: I’m completely comfortable with what I’m hypothetically doing when I hypothetically pirate media, and I fully understand exactly what is taking place. I’m not pretending otherwise.
And let’s be honest, people aren’t exactly hiding it. They’re openly discussing it, building massive communities around it, sharing methods and resources, and publicly arguing for why they think it’s justified. Look at the conversation we’re having right now. The difference is that, in practice, prosecuting every individual pirate or every corporation doing something similar, is generally not worth the resources required.
But that’s a question of enforcement, not legality.
Look, man. You don’t have to morally agree with piracy, and you don’t have to pretend it’s something other than what it is. Just admit to yourself what is actually taking place when someone pirates something: they’re obtaining and using copyrighted material without the copyright holder’s authorization. Whether you personally think that’s justified is a completely separate question.
If piracy was a problem I can find them multiple international corporations that are well know for using copyrighted content to train their LLM without paying for it or having permission from the owner of that content.
Exactly, this is to implement mechanism to block political sites that the state doesn’t approve. Please contact your representatives.
This is a special kind of irony: someone is lambasting one group for piracy while simultaneously advocating for another group to do essentially the same thing for their own benefit.
They’re not really prosecuting people for piracy, so why would they go after large corporations?
I’m not supporting the idea of pirating data for LLM training. I’m just saying: don’t be a hypocrite simply because a group of people you dislike is doing the same thing you’re doing, for the same reasons.
One group is poor individuals and the other is a billion/trillion dollar industry that’s basically gloating about pirating at an industrial scale.
Going after individuals for downloading a 4Gb rip of a movie doesn’t make any financial sense but it makes a lot more sense going after companies downloadinh millions of gigabytes and have more than enough money to pay damages
So it’s strange to continue attacking individuals while covering your eyes at the big companies
I’m not attacking anyone, and I’m not covering my eyes to anything.
You basically just proved my point: going after every individual or corporation that pirates isn’t really feasible.
I’m simply pointing out the hypocrisy in the stance itself. It doesn’t matter who’s doing the pirating; the underlying justification is the same. If it’s acceptable for an individual to pirate something because the company no longer sells it, then you can’t suddenly declare that same reasoning unacceptable when a corporation does it for essentially the same reason.
You don’t get to have your cake and eat it too. Either you apply the same standards of criticism and ridicule to individuals and corporations, or your argument doesn’t hold water.
You’re either okay with piracy as a principle, or you’re not. You don’t get to create one standard for individuals and another for corporations simply because you prefer one of them.
That’s exactly what I’m doing though. Imagine standing there with a bullhorn shouting that you just downloaded every available movie, show, research paper, news article, etc and you’re now profiting significantly off of it, as an individual. You’d get sued into oblivion if you weren’t sent to prison first.
I still think pirating is okay and that the US twisting the world’s arm to enforce the DMCA is fucking BS but if we have to suffer with it then the billion dollar companies should have to too
Privacy is not ok. People are stealing intellectual property. You can dress it up however you want, but that doesn’t change what is actually happening.
At some point, you have to stop convincing yourself that you’re somehow not breaking the law simply because enforcement is difficult or unlikely. Let’s not beat around the bush: I’m completely comfortable with what I’m hypothetically doing when I hypothetically pirate media, and I fully understand exactly what is taking place. I’m not pretending otherwise.
And let’s be honest, people aren’t exactly hiding it. They’re openly discussing it, building massive communities around it, sharing methods and resources, and publicly arguing for why they think it’s justified. Look at the conversation we’re having right now. The difference is that, in practice, prosecuting every individual pirate or every corporation doing something similar, is generally not worth the resources required.
But that’s a question of enforcement, not legality.
Look, man. You don’t have to morally agree with piracy, and you don’t have to pretend it’s something other than what it is. Just admit to yourself what is actually taking place when someone pirates something: they’re obtaining and using copyrighted material without the copyright holder’s authorization. Whether you personally think that’s justified is a completely separate question.
They’re all in bed together.