• SleveMcDichael@programming.dev
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    Unfortunately “AI,” and LLMs in general are, at present, wholly inseparable from the people who use them, and especially, (and more pressingly), the people corporations that make them. This is the reason I maintain my opposition to “AI” (and LLMs in general) despite machine learning as a field and LLMs as technology being truly fascinating, and having immense potential.

    In my ideal world the corporations pushing “AI” wouldn’t exist, the datasets and recipes would be open, and model training would be a community led effort with Folding@Home style distributed compute used for training, pretty much removing the viability of “AI” companies. Without “AI” companies pushing for adoption, strong social pushback can be used to reign in the slopification of the commons. With those two together (and likely many other smaller changes elsewhere) LLMs can be seen for what they really are and their real pros and cons evaluated.

    But that world isn’t currently feasible, and probably won’t ever be. Neither is toppling even a single corrupt corporation on the level of Alphabet, or Microsoft. So all we can do is evaluate whether we consider certain software’s use of “AI”/LLMs is acceptable, and advocate for not using them. Which is why I think efforts like openslopware, and pages like this are a positive thing, even if I don’t necessarily agree with some of the specifics.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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      You do realize LLMs are made outside the US as well. I have zero problem with Chinese companies making LLMs that are released in the open and you can even run on your own hardware.

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        Shitty corporations are a nigh universal constant, not something exclusive to America. That’s American exceptionalism talking.

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          The difference is that China actually deals with corporations when they act shitty as happened with Alibaba and Jack Ma because China has a dictatorship of the proletariat which creates different material conditions from the dictatorship of capital you have in burgerland. No exceptionalism needed to explain this, just minimal capacity for critical thought that some people lack.

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            True, but I am afraid that the definition of “they act shitty” in China is very different from the one in the US.
            Jack Ma paid because he criticized the regime, not because Alibaba was failing.

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              Jack Ma paid because he tried to expand Alibaba into a finance and do what western tech bros do. I love how you call Chinese government ‘the regime’ really highlights the quality of your ‘intellect’.

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                16 hours ago

                " to expand Alibaba into a finance" is not intrinsically a crime in a free country, so if China is really a free country, why Jack Ma was paid for something he don’t yet did ?

                Jack Ma was punished because he had the courage (or stupidity given the situation) to criticize Chinese estabilishment for stifling innovation and economics, then Xi Jinping retaliate and Jack Ma went off the radar (only to be remerges after Xi Jinping “rehabilitated” him)

                So yes, to me China is a regime. And if you think my intellect is not up to your idea of quality, you are free to move to China and to live in what I suppose you consider a better country.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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                  " to expand Alibaba into a finance" is not intrinsically a crime in a country which allows pedo oligarchs to own everything and rule over the working class

                  Jack Ma was punished because he wanted capitalists to start having control over the economy. Calling that courage reveals what you stand for.

                  Enjoy living under pedo oligarch regime that fits with your fascist ideology. Your conception of freedom is literal fascism.

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            as happened with Alibaba and Jack

            I’m out of the loop, what happened to them? Never mind, googled it. I like how they regulate things.