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EU doing all the heavy regulatory lifting that American politicians are too afraid to touch. As both an American and an avid Apple enthusiast, I sincerely appreciate it.
Apple will do something to ensure only batteries from them work right, mark my words.
Apple will do something to ensure only batteries from them work right, mark my words.
They tried doing this with the upcoming USB C cables but EU stepped in by making sure that every cable will work without any limitations on transfer and charging speeds.
I fully expect Apple claim that the EU is an environmental terrorist by having “disposable batteries being thrown out after their charge is depleted” and that somehow having batteries being certified by Apple prevents that.
Certainly. But I hope the EU regulators do the same trick as they did with the USB C port rregulation. It is against the rules to make it a walled garden.
Thank you EU. Both my laptop and phone have non-replaceable batteries. It’s ridiculous I have to buy a whole new device when the battery wears out. A Li-Ion battery lasts three years, I can easily get double that off the device itself. It’s anti-consumer and bad for the environment, replacing a whole device and disposing of it rather than replacing the battery.
Yes, I had to replace battery on 2-3year old iPhone same years ago. And also had battery issues after 3 years on my previous android phone.
Once replaced the iPhone battery on a non apple approved repair shop, it wasn’t good for long. Whatever it was due to the repair shop putting a cheap battery or Apple scumbagery I have no idea.
Brilliant! I miss the days of being able to slap on a massive oversize battery to get you through the day! :-D Carrying around powerbanks and cables is such a huge step back!
Good. Non-replaceable batteries benefit no one but device manufacturers and miners of lithium, cobalt, etc.
I don’t think it would really benefit or harm the lithium miners and battery manufacturers - in fact it might benefit them more if they could sell their batteries directly to consumers and skip the middleman, keeping those profits for themselves.
Ha yeah, I’ll just buy more batteries so I can always be able to pop in a spare, sigh.
wonder how apple will react to this. lack of user repairability is a considerable source of revenue for them.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to do the same thing as the printer companies. and install authentication chips in the battery modules so that only official apple batteries could be installed in Apple devices - then sell their batteries at marked up prices
“We made them easily available and replaceable, what more could you want?”
it’s sad that replaceable batteries got extinct in just a few years. In my opinion replaceable battery is a great selling point and I know I’m not the only one so I’m surprised that the market are not able to provide this…
Especially now a days when phones have stagnated and having a 5 year old phone is nothing strange anymore.I used to have a replaceable battery to my old LG G3 and it was great to just swap batteries and directly having a fully charged phone. Now I always have to have power banks or try to charge up during train rides or whatever and having to worry that I don’t have enough juice
A removable battery in the perfect surveillance device? There’s no such thing.
I personally don’t understand the purpose of this law. I’ve never discarded a phone due to battery issues (iPhone user). It’s usually just been a slow device, sometimes due to a failing charging port or 3.5mm Jack. I’d rather have the opportunity to replace ports, screens, and buttons.
Do any of you guys experience issues needing a battery replacement that often?
From what I understand, iPhones will downclock themselves when the battery degrades to make a charge last longer and prevent crashes. So your slow phones might have been fixable with a new battery.
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-turn-off-battery-throttling-on-your-iphone/
Thank you EU for actually having functional legal protections.
The European Parliament just caused a major headache for smartphone and tablet manufacturers.
Laughs in Fairphone.
Man i wish i would not have been a cheapo and gotten myself a fairphone.
Every country should do this. It’s just a shame we have to wait until 2027 to see these phones.
Fairphone does this now and have for years.
Yes but their price is kinda steep
There are cheaper phones with better specs out there, without a doubt. But few, if any, with the same focus on repairability and sustainability.
I do not like this, at all.
I don’t want to replace my battery. I want my battery to last. 5 years, at least.
This legislation will achieve the opposite and paves the way for batteries that are just crap and need replacement after 12 or 18 months. The companies have no motivation to make better batteries, protect them better against premature degradation.
Sounds good, but generates a lot of trash.
The hell are you talking about? Every phone with a user replaceable battery that I have had is still alive and well today. And some of them are over 10 years old. Their batteries are obviously no longer in top shape, but they are still usable. And because they are user replaceable, if it dies, I will just put in a new one.
Even if you are right. Just vote with your wallet. A battery that degenerates too quickly will just kill the sales of the phone it is in.
Also cameras have replaceable batteries. Most live for longer than a modern phone.
And lastly, for fun, let’s say your battery died too quickly because the manufacturer is a dipstick. Just buy a different brand of battery!
Imagine how much easier repairs will be and how much lower the amount of e-waste will be when you can just replace your battery without any tools or knowledge of how to disassemble a smartphone.
Repairability is always something to strive towards. Remember when laptop manufacturers said that a user repairable laptop would be too cumbersome and thick and look bad etc. Then Framework came along and made a wonderful laptop that is user repairable and has tons of cool features. And once you want to upgrade to a more modern CPU, you can upgrade the motherboard and upcycle the older one into a media center, a mini pc or whatever else people have already thought up.
Also it will be fun to watch giant phone companies throw a fit about how this will stifle innovation (ahem Apple). Phones right now require tons of tools to open safely and successfully, because they are glued shut. The excuse they provide is that it is required for water resistance. And yet there were phones with a user replaceable battery and water resistance. And nowadays even phones without water resistance are glued shut.
And the manufacturers call this innovation apparently. That is sad. And it is sad that you believe them.
So, if your phones‘ batteries last 10 years - why do you even need a replaceable battery?
That’s why the proposal states that if the battery outlasts the lifespan of the product it does not need to be replaceable. Currently, and in the near-mid future, that just won’t be the case. Batteries are one of the components that fail the most in any smartphone. A user replaceable battery makes the difference between one part of e-waste and a whole device.
Why not both? 8)
Anyone else thinking about how their phone is going to be water proof made this way? I kinda like the comfort of them being waterproof.
probably the same way most waterproof devices with removable batteries, like action cams, they use rubber gaskets
They need to hit the final nail on the head. All smart phones sold in Europe must have fully documented and open source hardware including the entire chipset, all peripherals, and the modem, with all registers and interfaces documented, the full API, and all programing documentation along with a public toolchain that can reproduce the software as shipped with the device and updated with any changes made to future iterations as soon as the updated software is made available.
This law would make these devices lifetime devices, if you choose; as in your lifetime. It would murder the disposable hardware culture, and it should happen now. Moore’s law is dead. The race is over.
I doubt manufacturers would want to put millions upon millions into research and development if they’d have to open source it all anyways.
At least we can start with unlockable bootloader. Or at least, the second you’re discontinuing OS updates, you must give a bootloader unlocking tool + kernel sources. Including apple, shame that a device like an iPhone X is “e-waste” now that won’t receive updates
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Governments already have requirements like this for military and government hardware. All it takes is altering a few lines to existing requirements. Ultimately, you should expect more from both the manufacturer and the government. This is about ownership. You either buy what you pay for or you rent it. Anyone selling you anything should have no further ownership of any kind, digital rights included. Anything less is theft. This blind spot is leading to digital feudalism and it is criminal. Don’t allow anyone to steal from you. This is a fundamental human right.
