This post is not only to try finding the best Mastodon instance/server but I also wanted to express about the Mastodon instances. Most of Mastodon servers are apparently harsh about other instances that include things they don’t like and are quite serious about getting those Internet points putting how the place isn’t welcome for “bigotry” and is for everyone and so diverse, and I wouldn’t have any problems with this if this wasn’t frequently used by people who will try to shut you if they disagree enough with you and will try to present themselves as so virtuous. You’d expect that the free side of the Internet would have people that value freedom and should let anything that isn’t a crime or something that prejudice the instance itself or whatever space they’re in but it seems this vision is getting far from the reality with time.

  • Milk@lemmy.sdf.orgOP
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    1 year ago

    Well, you’re the one trying to offend me cause I don’t like people who support censoring others.

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          it’s pretty straightforward… what part do you not understand? the part about facing consequences for your actions, or how that doesn’t make you a victim?

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              What actions are you talking about?

              your actions. I’ve said this twice now.

              It is not straightforward

              your failure to comprehend a simple statement, even after it’s been deconstructed for you, isn’t my responsibility. if you require such hand-holding through a basic conversation, why did you post here? or is it that the basic concept of personal responsibility for your actions is completely alien to you?

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                Yes, I’m responsible for my actions and I should see the consequences if they’re equivalent to what I did. But what does it have to do with all this?

                Also, dropping “your actions have consequences” and refusing to explain further doesn’t explain much about what you wanted to say so I don’t understand how you expected me to understand a text without any meaning or connection to the discussion.

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                  Yes, I’m responsible for my actions

                  you say this, but you add the qualifier:

                  if they’re equivalent to what I did

                  yet you seem to set yourself as the only arbiter of your actions in the spaces with rules defined by others. I ask what do you believe entitles you to this right - to act as you wish, disregarding the rules - and to face consequences as only you define them rather than defined by the owners of that space?

                  Also, dropping “your actions have consequences” and refusing to explain further

                  how have I refused anything when all i’ve done is ask questions which you have constantly refused to answer? I have broken down that statement several times, yet you now make false accusations that can easily be disproven by reviewing earlier comments.

                  and, additionally, what makes you feel entitled that if you fail to comprehend these basic concepts as I have explained, I should continue to hand-hold you though this conversation? why is that my responsibility rather than yours to either keep up or to step aside when it has clearly surpassed you ability to comprehend?

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                    1. Yes, consequences shouldn’t be bigger than the actions. At least that’s the way most countries’ laws work, or do you think I should be decapitated if I steal a Nokia?

                    2. You can drop any questions but you can’t expect people to understand it right away, essentially when the question makes no sense and/or have no connection with the discussed topic.

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              In this case, your action is saying things that are very similar to the kinds of things fascists say when they to try to get a foot in the door. You may be simply unaware, but you should at least be made aware of what the actions were.

              I don’t think you’ll face banning or widespread defederation for respectfully sharing opinions that don’t boil down to “trans people shouldn’t exist” or “women exist to carry fetuses to term”.

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                In that case consequences should be equivalent in size to my actions which were to type words and the only reasonable consequence would be a discussion; unless I’m preceeding a crime, which would be a threat, which itself is a crime. Also, I didn’t even offend him in any way so I don’t see sense in him talking about consequences as if I said some absurdity about someone.

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                  No, a perfectly reasonable consequence of saying things is other people choosing not to hear them, and even not to let you say them in their private spaces. You’re welcome to find private spaces that are uncensored, but nobody else is obligated to listen / federate with those kinds of spaces.

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                    I agree with that but a home and a private space open to the public are quite different despite being private and usually follow different set of rules but always follow different set of morals/ethics.

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                  Say stupid shit, surprise surprise, unless you’re in your cozy racist or queerphobic echo chamber with a bunch of other dudes that can’t get laid, you’re gonna get called out and shit on. This is the way. It will always be this way. Just leave. Delete your account. You will never be welcome here.

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                    You’re a bully and just that. My girlfriend is literally trans and most of girls I liked were black.

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            That’s actually a debate method to basically not bring anything to the table and say everything is wrong but it’s really dumb and quite annoying, it’s however the only kind of debate most people can have these days.

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              That’s actually a debate method to basically not bring anything to the table and say everything is wrong but it’s really dumb and quite annoying, it’s however the only kind of debate most people can have these days.

              i’m sure that you find it annoying when people state facts which you find inconvenient-- especially if it happens with most people you encounter