Or maybe they will launch Win 12 with optional TPM support.
Imho making the OS(es) TPM only cannot be good for their business, many people are still on Win 10 with no intention to switch, since their motheboard does not support TPM and do not want to upgrade PC / waste PCI-E slot on TPM extension.
Why? What benefit would Microsoft have in changing the requirements for Windows 11 when Windows 12 will more than likely be the OS they focus most of their resources on?
This.
Is anyone going to bring up the fact they told everyone 10 was the last version of windows. Then they launched 11 and are now talking about 12.
I know companies lie all the time, but we can at least call them out on it
No one believed them. It’d be like McDonald’s saying they aren’t going to serve hamburger anymore.
Well depending on your standards it could still be argued
Won’t take much to convince me.
Ha ha, no.
Chances are by Windows 12 they’ll start implementing a check with their vendors to verify you’re running windows and deny you any alternatives.
Windows 13 will melt your PC if you type the word Linux.
And Windows 14 will take you out to the woods and execute you if you even so much as think about a penguin.
“You must purchase a Big Mac with a large fries to continue logging into your Microsoft account.”
I’ve been running 11 on my 10 y/o PC without TPM 2 for a while and it’s been working with zero issues. It’s all just a money grabbing scheme to get people to upgrade their hardware.
After using Windows for 30+ years now (since Windows 1), this is one of the straws finally pushing me into Linux.
I’m running 10, but without a TPM, can’t go to 11. So sad. Not.
Honestly 7 was the last decent OS they made. In my opinion the good OS’s were NT4 (game changer), 2000, XP, 7. They can keep the rest.
Oh windows 2000 how I miss thee.
I honestly think it’s the best OS they released. Shame so many games would throw a shitfit at the time because it reported it was Windows NT (rightfully so).
3.1 and 98se were pretty decent at the time too.
Yea, 3.11 was a significant change. It was still just dos with a shell.
A usable shell, which was quite new for the time.
3.11 with win32s
All the current major distros of linux require TPM.
TPM prevents users from downloading random kinder eggs that install ransomware. Any business that disables TPM is crazy.
I’d like to see how you disable tpm on 2010s thinkpad where tpm don’t even exist
Why do you say a TPM prevents users from running malicious software? As far as I know that’s not really what they’re used for.
Rufus or registry editing during installation can both dodge the requirement if you need it.
Microsoft doesn’t care about you upgrading your personal computer. they care about business licenses. Enterprise pays the bills, and enterprise computers have all had TPM for ages. I don’t see any reason for them to make a change. consumers buying a new os for an existing computer is a drop in the bucket
No chance.
You concentrate on the TPM but ignore the CPU requirements…? If you have a CPU that is up to spec, you have a TPM - they’re built in the CPU. Most people just need to turn it on in the BIOS (or update their BIOS as motherboard manufacturers have turned on the TPM as “Windows 11 support”)
The truth of it is, every “jump” OS, i.e. 95, XP, 7, 10 has run really poorly on >5 year old chips at the time of launching. And MS got panned at “how slow” is was. But it was also the norm to update your PC more often. Now speed increases have slowed and Moore’s Law has ended, it’s about security and performance hit of said security. The truth is, the kernel hardening and malware protection and encryption built into 11 to make it far less likely to get infected than 10 and 7 means it needs the hardware support to do it. Without it, it runs far slower or is less secure. Neither anyone wants.
When 10 support ends in 2 years time, the lowest supported processor for 11 will be nearly 9 years old…
I wonder how many people are suffering from terrible performance due to the AMD fTPU being a piece of shit? I’ve tried to turn it on for two different CPUs of different generations (3700X and 5800X) and they both had horrible stuttering. Even if I wanted to I couldn’t upgrade to Windows 11 like Microsoft wants because the experience would be unacceptable.
Do you have any references for the reduced malware infections provided by Win 11 that requires the TPU?
It’s not directly the TPM - it’s the enhanced security instructions in the newer chips (which is the real reason for the very definite line drawn).
Read https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/why-windows-11-has-such-strict-hardware-requirements-according-to-microsoft/ from “A towering stack of security acronyms”
Still running 10. I actually turned off TPM in bios so it stops pestering me to upgrade
https://lemmy.world/post/9205583
Here’s why it’s against Microsoft interest to drop TPM requirement. They will paywall updates for Windows 10. So, pay for software updates or pay for hardware updates.
Because there is no possible alternative /S
This is nothing new. Windows 10 will be 10 years old at that point. They’ve done paid extended service for several previous windows versions. I don’t like Windows or Microsoft. I run Linux or MacOS where I can but I can’t fault them for supporting an OS for 10 years.
Yeah, I know it’s nothing new. Just an example of what Microsoft offers to people on his situation and how Microsoft won’t suddenly backtrack on W12.
Wow, so many salty replies to Linux or soon-to-be Linux users in that thread
Not really, the only saltines comes from OPs tears all over this post.
It’s just so fun seeing how OP is faced with either having an unsecure system or having to pay to replace his otherwise perfectly capable machine, but still has so much loyalty to Microsoft (or he’s in extreme denial) that he’s throwing shit at everybody,even those who just explain Microsoft won’t drop the requirement.
But it’s ok, my non TPM machines will continue to work for years, always up to date. And when 12 rises the requirements yet again I’ll laugh at all the people crying that a trillion dollars company isn’t hearing them.
As someone mentioned in the comments, non TPM machines can have W11 on them and it will most likely work just fine so that’s pretty much a non issue…
In 2025 TPM 2.0 will be 11 years old, add the optional 3 years of updates and that’s 14 years old, I don’t think there will be that much personal hardware without TPM 2.0 that is still being actively used at either of those points and if the people who do still use it absolutely want to stick to Windows then they’ll still have the option I mentioned before…
Even worse, Windows 12 is an AI OS. Think just like in the movie HER.
https://www.techspot.com/news/101032-windows-12-expected-usher-new-era-ai-pcs.html
