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Windows 10 gets three more years of security updates, if you can afford them::Windows 10 gets a version of the program that extended updates for Windows 7.
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Paid updates may as well be no updates. Give us privacy or cost.
Of course Linux is the only way
I’ve been with Windows forever, since version 3. I’m old.
These past few months I’ve been trying Ubuntu, and it’s fine for everyday use, browsing and file management. And, LibreOffice has been my office suite for years, so no problem there–I don’t demand much from that.
But, graphics applications are barely there. Blender is fine. Inkscape is so-so, but I just discovered recently that it doesn’t keep track of object rotation, so there is no simple way to set the rotation back to zero. Corel Draw gave up Linux support years ago, or that would be my go-to. I haven’t tried LibreDraw yet, but I don’t have much hope for it. Gimp is, eh.
I haven’t tried playing FO4 or Starfield yet, though. I’ve just been switching back to Windows for that.
I don’t mind using Terminal, it reminds me of MS-DOS days, but I don’t see myself ever become proficient at it.
I won’t be getting Windows 11, I’ve decided that. But I see that I’ll likely need to give up a lot to make that stand.
You might enjoy more Fedora KDE or Linux Mint.
I’m not gonna pay for updates, I’m just stick with my old win 7 untill the end. Glad i take the right decision to full backup 8 years ago
Although i never got updates or can run modern apps anymore, at least i got very stable & less annoying windowsgod i really hope this is either a joke or a backup computer that has no access to the Internet
2025-10-05 + 3 years. That’s a whole lot of time.
Why are people making a huge deal out of this? Win10 was released in 2015, and support ends in 2025. That’s 10 years of support, I don’t think this is unreasonable for a consumer product by any means.
As far as industry goes it’s a bit short, but nothing catastrophic. There’s plenty of xp machines still running just fine in many places. Lack of security updates is less crucial for most of these applications since they’re often not required to be connected to internet.
Because it’s forced obsolescence by a convicted monopolist. Microsoft is effectively withholding security updates from computers built before 2018 or so with the arbitrary TPM requirement to install Win11. While I don’t expect them to support everything forever, this is another step along their journey to make PCs like cellphones. Fixed support periods for no reason other than they want you buying new ones every x years. Next up will be widespread locked down bootloaders so you can’t install Linux if you wanted to. Throw away the old and buy new. Mamma needs more quarterly revenue.
It’s not really forced obsolescence.
Firstly, you can clean install 11 without TPM no problem, and you can upgrade in place with some tweaks. It’s annoying, but in no way “forced.”
Secondly, the EOL has been known since original release. We know the EOL of current versions of Windows 11 as well (they moved to supporting specific versions, for instance 21H2 recently went EOL, in October. 23H2 is slotted for EOL in 2026. https://endoflife.date/windows
Fixed support periods make sense. Otherwise you’re going to have to spring an EOL on people arbitrarily. 10 years of free support on Windows 10, a product most people got for free, seems sane to me. I realize it won’t make sense to everyone.
Next up will be widespread locked down bootloaders so you can’t install Linux if you wanted to.
Slippery slope fallacy much?
You basically have to break the installer to get it to work, which supports my point that the limit is an arbitrary way to exclude PCs made before a certain date from the next version. There is no technical reason MS can’t allow old hardware to work and no marginal cost to Microsoft to chose to do so. Like I said, while I don’t expect them to support everything forever, Microsoft also made their bed with their illegal business practices that got us here and hordes of malware infested EOL’ed computers are everybody’s problem now. They shouldn’t be adding to that problem for arbitrary marketing reasons.
I’m not against to fixed support periods, but they really ought to be minimums and not halted based on arbitrary dates, especially in the consumer space where these machines will run whether they get patched or not.
Slippery slope fallacy much?
This already happened during the last big Windows-on-ARM push w/ Win8. UEFI secure boot was required enabled on all new hardware but no requirement for user-added keys. It didn’t overtly restrict Linux (on MS’s part) but several manufacturers did lock down their devices. I don’t see any reason why that won’t happen again. It’s the norm in the cell phone and tablet ecosystem (which is a damn shame, but there may be hope on the regulatory front w/ right to repair laws gaining steam.)
Break the installer? Two values get flipped. Hell you can have Rufus do it for you if you’re not tech savvy.
As for all the arbitrary and short dates… most distorts have similar. Look at Ubuntu, all having free support periods of less than 10 years, all having paid support beyond that point for a few years.
So how long is a reasonable time to support a version of software? 5 years, like Ubuntu? 10 like Windows? Are there even that many that support for longer periods of time?
I can understand the worry about older hardware, but they have a direction they are choosing to go to make things more secure. Even if there’s an ulterior motive, security isn’t a bad thing to strive for. And if not this version… which? The next? The one after that? Never?
Welp, time for online security across the world to be destroyed! No one is going to pay that
That’s the day I get Linux, I guess.
Linux distro version depositories are deleted after 2 years.
Windows 10 LTSC IoT + a certain mass grave script or whatever has got you covered until 2032.
What’s in 2032?
The year 2032 problem.
secretly hopes 2032 isn’t too bad of a year
